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[kathyinmo]

Jeff,
I just checked my correspondence with Tim from my first hatch. This is what he said.....

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Some of your F2 females will be gold and some will be silver. Your males will be silver or silver/gold. The black chicks can be male or female.

You will not need any of the F2 black chicks. It is the wheaten F2 chicks that are important. You also will want to keep some of the F1 birds. Two males and 5 females would be great.

We have to wait and see what the adult phenotypes of the F2 wheatens are like. Once I see what they are like, you may just do an F2 cross or

you may need to back cross to an F1 or

back cross to a new hampshire.

It all depends how the genes segregate in the F2.

Do not get too worried if autosomal red shows in your F2s. I was able to get rid of the red in two generations. I was working with rhode island red and not new hampshire.

Be patient.

Heterozygous S/s+ males will not have nice clean white hackles and they tend to show some reddish color on the back. The wing bays will not be a nice clean white- some red will show. The red starts showing when the birds are older 5-7 months or so.

You are doing fine. We need to see what they look like as adults. Get with me again once the birds reach sexual maturity.

Tim

 

[jeremy]

You are doing fine. We need to see what they look like as adults. Get with me again once the birds reach sexual maturity.

Such a long time to wait!

 

[kathyinmo]

Columbian Wyandottes.......

 

[kathyinmo]

To repeat myself.............

 

[jeremy]

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Those chicks look much whiter in the face/head.

 

[kathyinmo]

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Those chicks look much whiter in the face/head.

Well, one thing for sure...........
Next hatch, I am keeping them all........... for awhile anyway.

 

[catdaddyfro]

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Some of your F2 females will be gold and some will be silver. Your males will be silver or silver/gold. The black chicks can be male or female.

You will not need any of the F2 black chicks. It is the wheaten F2 chicks that are important. You also will want to keep some of the F1 birds. Two males and 5 females would be great.

We have to wait and see what the adult phenotypes of the F2 wheatens are like. Once I see what they are like, you may just do an F2 cross or

you may need to back cross to an F1 or

back cross to a new hampshire.

It all depends how the genes segregate in the F2.

Do not get too worried if autosomal red shows in your F2s. I was able to get rid of the red in two generations. I was working with rhode island red and not new hampshire.

Be patient.

Heterozygous S/s+ males will not have nice clean white hackles and they tend to show some reddish color on the back. The wing bays will not be a nice clean white- some red will show. The red starts showing when the birds are older 5-7 months or so.

You are doing fine. We need to see what they look like as adults. Get with me again once the birds reach sexual maturity.

Tim


Ok I read all that and got some of it absorbed will go back to it later on and store it in my memory banks (my notebook), (yes pen and paper) cause I really don't know diddly-squat about how to use this contraption I'm typing on now other than read emails and go to the BYC mostly.

Mrs. Kathy I did this cross about 5 years ago with production type birds Hatchery Barred Rock rooster over Production red hens then back crossed one of the half-breeds males of that cross back over half breed and to pro red hens, but I sold every last one of those chicks because I was moving off. There were some of those off-looking silvery chicks in the mix but I never got to see exactly what they turn out like-

I need a royal rump kicking over that one huh?

I messed around with this same making my own Delaware project way back in the mid eighties when I was in school but my rememberance of my results have long since gone by the way-side,

if you get my drift.

Jeff

 

[kathyinmo]

I just heard back from Tim. This is what he said....

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edited to add.......

What is wheaten down?

 

[catdaddyfro]

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Those chicks look much whiter in the face/head.

Look at the one to the right it looks sorta like what I see in some in the picture of the F2's

Yeah but still yet those ARE Wyandottes were looking at too, though

, as I said we are still trying to figure out what to keep and what not to.

And Mrs. Kathy the ones that are black a and black with the head dot you can pretty much say that is the blacks and barreds, but its the ones with the more cream and ESPECIALLY the double dorsal striped ones that got my attention. Wheaton based chicks (wild type, and your duckwings all are born with double dorsal(racing stripes) Look at some Brown leghorn, silver phoenix. anything Black breasted red, chick pics and youll see all are have racing stripes.

Jeff

Ok I guess Im thoroughly confuzzeled know after your post from Tim disreguard my thoughts as He should know if anybody should. Im out on a limb here

 

[NellaBean]

My wheaten marans chicks were yellow. Does that help?