Seamless Bands

[ghulst]

Why aren't seamless bands required on all poultry in shows? Every bird I saw in Germany were seamless banded. All pigeon show require them. I just banded the oldest of my OEG this past week. It was easyier then pigeons.

 

[flowerchild59]

What do you mean by "seamless"? What brand do you use?

 

[blackred]

There are a lot of things that go on in Europe that don't happen here but there are two big reasons that I can think of why Germany requires permanent ID of one kind or another.
First they actually have issues with AI and have had the shows shut down at one time for this. Secondly, those bands you just put on you OE were made in Germany as all Seamless bands are.
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't their entry fees quite a bit higher than ours?

I firmly believe that there will be a time in the not so distant future that all poultry that is taken off premise will have to be permanently banded. I have been using them since the mid 80's and even put them on my free range Guineas and Peacocks.
If bought from the ABA they are registered in your name and can be traced back to you.
There is a guy in Canada that sells them and you can get a larger range of sizes plus you can have anything printed on them.

Bob

 

[ghulst]

Yes their entry fees are higher however you get much more for it then in USA. Each entry is judged against the breed standard not against the other entries. There is a judging card that as the owner of the bird you get to keep and can sell with the bird at anytime. Since they all have seamless bands it adds interigatity to everything. I feel that is why the birds are much higher qulility them in USA. I feel that we should have the seamless band rule here. I got my bands from the OEG club. The APC should sell bands for all breeds. They use a different size for males and females.
The NPA sells band for all breeds of pigeons. You must have the correct size on your bird to be legal.

 

[Debbi]

I would be interested in knowing how these bands work. I have a large, fast growing, feather shanked breed (Marans). How do you find the correct size for the birds? How do you put them on?? Where do you get the bands? Links??

 

[blackred]

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A lot of what you have said here is highly debatable and you are welcomed to your opinion. There are forums devoted to the return to the of the score card system and you may want to search them out.
While I have not been to Germany or Europe I have studied what they have there and I don't believe their breeds are bred any higher than ours. I also don't believe the score card system produces any better judging results than by comparison judging. I have read a lot of old articles about this from the days when it was transforming from score cards to Comparison. I even own some score cards from the 1890's.

I am not sure who the "APC" is but the APA does not sell leg bands, but they should. The ABA sells them in sizes from 10mm to 20mm. The larger sizes will fit a lot of Standard breeds, I use 15mm on my Large OE Fm's and 18mm on my males.
Just to help support the OEGBCA I also buy the 10mm and 11mm form them to use on my Old English bantams. I use about 250 10mm bands from the ABA for my Modern Game Bantams.

 

[blackred]

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Debbi
I would think that 20mm would work on your Marans since the feathered shanks are rather sparse. You have to put the bands on as the young birds are growing. On my Moderns I put them on at about 6 weeks but on my Cornish it is at about 10 weeks. They are put on when they will slip on over the foot an d not fall off. Once the bird is grown it will not come off unless you cut it off.
Now days they are a high grade plastic that is color coded to each year. This year they are yellow. Last year they were white or black I don't remember. This way you can always tell when the bird was hatched just by looking into the pen.
Up until a few years ago they were aluminum and you had to catch the bird to see the date.

Right now the only place to buy them is from the ABA ( go to their website). If you want to order in July for the next year then you can order from a guy in Canada who advertises in the Poultry Press. I believe the ones the ABA sell are 35 cents each plus shipping.

Bob

 

[ghulst]

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Hi Debbi, here is a german site that list many facts about every poultry breed. Use Google tranlate.
http://www.indiez.de/html/gefluegel/Zwerg-Marans.html

 

[ghulst]

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A lot of what you have said here is highly debatable and you are welcomed to your opinion. There are forums devoted to the return to the of the score card system and you may want to search them out.
While I have not been to Germany or Europe I have studied what they have there and I don't believe their breeds are bred any higher than ours. I also don't believe the score card system produces any better judging results than by comparison judging. I have read a lot of old articles about this from the days when it was transforming from score cards to Comparison. I even own some score cards from the 1890's.

I am not sure who the "APC" is but the APA does not sell leg bands, but they should. The ABA sells them in sizes from 10mm to 20mm. The larger sizes will fit a lot of Standard breeds, I use 15mm on my Large OE Fm's and 18mm on my males.
Just to help support the OEGBCA I also buy the 10mm and 11mm form them to use on my Old English bantams. I use about 250 10mm bands from the ABA for my Modern Game Bantams.

If you get a change to go to a large national show in Germany I wouldn,t past it up. My trip last year cost me $1200 but was well worth it.
Yes germans do breed their birds different then here in the states. Here is what I obsereved.
1. Most bantams are bigger then the same breed here. The games were about the same. I fel that is because all birds are used for utility also. Eggs and meat not wasted.Only young shown.
2 Color is the best I have seen anywhere in pigeons and chickens. What a sight to see 24 large Lt. Brown Leghorn Young cocks shown by 20 exhibiters. Every one like a pea in a pod.Uniformity in all classes and breeds.
3 Show catalog was like a bible.Everything that you would want to know about the show It went forsale on Friday when the show opened to the public ($20.00)258 pages.
4. Wyantottes, Leghorns, new hampshires were some of the biggest classes .
5. The national club sells bands for very type of poultry. 2010 were black same as in USA. The youth club were pink.A show report with birds that don't have seamless bands is next to worthless.

 

[Chris09]

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All bird or just adult birds?
It would be a little hard to permanently banded a day old chick.

Chris