Sexing Bourbon Reds?

[RedfogsFlock]

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love it!

 

[the simple life]

Well since mine came from Steve I guess I will be able to sex them with the black edging on the feathers.

 

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

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What color dilution gene would that be?

Steve

I don't know where my post keep going but they are lost. This is my third try.

I am talking about b+b+Ddrr. But I have also heard some breeders are using a single e gene to also remove the black line.

So many birds people get poults that have the pheno type for bourbon red with hidden genes.

Would be be so kind as to explain to explain your color genetics? And how that applies the the black feather edging in the male Bourbon red vice the white edging in the female. With the genetics calculator on line there are a zillion genetics experts now but when it come to actual breeding most fall short.

So many birds people get poults that have the pheno type for bourbon red with hidden genes.

As a breeder yourself how would you go about identifing the "hidden genes"? in a line of BR's

Steve​

 

[OmaBird]

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I don't know where my post keep going but they are lost. This is my third try.

I am talking about b+b+Ddrr. But I have also heard some breeders are using a single e gene to also remove the black line.

So many birds people get poults that have the pheno type for bourbon red with hidden genes.

Would be be so kind as to explain to explain your color genetics? And how that applies the the black feather edging in the male Bourbon red vice the white edging in the female. With the genetics calculator on line there are a zillion genetics experts now but when it come to actual breeding most fall short.

So many birds people get poults that have the pheno type for bourbon red with hidden genes.

As a breeder yourself how would you go about identifing the "hidden genes"? in a line of BR's

Steve​

I am not sure I understand your question but the best I can explain what I think you asking is the D gene does little of nothing to a double rr. It does effect balck. Some times you might see a grey shadow if it is present and maybe not. Breeders are using it to remove the black line. The e gene from what I have been told is used in both buff and bourbons. Both Buff and Bourbons are double rr. Buff is black based and Bourbon is wild bronzed based. A single e gene will change the black line to brown. The brown next to the red will look the same. If that does not answer what your asking. I will try again.

Bourbons bred to bourbons most likely will not show the hidden gene. It would only show if bred to other colors. My whole point is to say nothing is 100% as far as sexing if there is hidden genes. It take quite a bit to purify many lines to breed 100% pure.

 

[maureen9962]

I had heard about the black edging on the feathers before. When I looked at the poults even at 5-6 months they all looked exactly the same. So I would say mine must carry the "dilution gene." Thanks for all the info.

 

[OmaBird]

Here is some info on using the brown gene (e) to remove the black line. http://www.msumner.co.uk/tcuk-forum/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24