sexing peachicks

[frenchblackcopper]

My 2 chicks hatched so far from my Black Shoulder Silver Pied pen are obviously from the hens being bred while in a large pen before I brought them home.There were IB and IB B/s males in that overrflow pen,,I'm hoping they do turn out to be IB w/e,,,,or blue pieds.They both look similiar to the 2 chicks that was in question here,,

 

[country_girl011]

Thabks guys beautiful birds you all have
I guess time will tell what colors these guys will be.
My goal is to get 3 more a pied(typical pied not what i have). A cameo and a java

 

[NateinFL]

My 2 chicks hatched so far from my Black Shoulder Silver Pied pen are obviously from the hens being bred while in a large pen before I brought them home.There were IB and IB B/s males in that overrflow pen,,I'm hoping they do turn out to be IB w/e,,,,or blue pieds.They both look similiar to the 2 chicks that was in question here,,

Sounds to me like you don't have all Black Shouldered silver pied in that pen and have at least one that is Indian Blue silver pied if you are getting brown dark pied chicks...that is unless your birds laid those eggs within 2 weeks of you buying them (they are said to be fertile 14 days from mating). Also, what's an "IB B/s male"? They can't be both Indian Blue and black-shouldered. Maybe you can post some pictures of the possible parents so we can help identify them for you.

 

[Mmmatt13]

Also, what's an "IB B/s male"? They can't be both Indian Blue and black-shouldered. Maybe you can post some pictures of the possible parents so we can help identify them for you.

IB B/S as opposed to say Opal B/S or Purple B/S. They are "both" technically.

 

[DAS]

As Deerman used to tell everyone--India blue is the color. Blackshoulder or barred wing is the pattern.

 

[Kedreeva]

Also, what's an "IB B/s male"? They can't be both Indian Blue and black-shouldered. Maybe you can post some pictures of the possible parents so we can help identify them for you.

To expand some on DAS' answer, there are 2 factors when considering what "color" your peafowl is. The first is color (blue, white, bronze, opal, peach, purple etc) and the second is pattern (solid wing [aka blackshoulder], pied, white, silver pied, white eye). White is the only one that is both a color and a pattern because it's actually neither; it's a genetic condition called leucism where in developmental stages the pigment cells fail to migrate from the neural crest, resulting in the failure of pigment being deposited on the feathers.

Moreover, all of the color and pattern mutations are India blue. "India Blue" is the species (like java green is the other species). Your opals, your charcoals, your purples, your peaches, your blackshoulders, your silver pieds, your bronze, your whites... they are all India Blue (which is also why if you breed 2 different colors together, all the kids are blue in color). What produces the change in color or pattern are genes/alleles within the India blue genome. An India Blue with no mutations will phenotypically (visually) also be a blue bird. This is generally referred to as 'india blue (IB)' but should probably be referred to as "wild type"- meaning a blue bird with barred wings and no irregularities in color or pattern. So in actuality, all BS birds are India Blue (the species), but when someone refers to a bird as "IB BS" they generally mean a wild type color with the solid wing pattern mutation.

Hope that makes some sense ^_^; There's a huge genetics post in the stickies area that has a lot of the genetics explained.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

Nathhowe,,,yes the 2 Black shoulder silver pied hens I now have,was all together with about 40 other birds,,some males in that pen was IB B/S,Plain IB,,a Cameo W/E,,so the first few eggs I got from these 3 hens,,had not been fertilized yet from the BSSP male they are now with.Your calling me out saying my 3 hens in this pen now ARE NOT B/S silver pieds? 2 of them are BSSP,,,the third hen is Silver Pied,SPLIT to B/S,,I can get pics to prove they are,what I say they are,,seems since the B/S pigment discussion last week that BS feathers comes in all black,,I get called out on everything now,,Now your also saying black shouldered males,,cannot be India Blue in color?? How can this be? My India Blue black shouldered male has a very striking resemblence to the other 2 India Blue males in that breeding pen,, I also have an OPAL B/S ,Midnight B/S,,Purple B/S Peacocks,,so your wanting to tell me that these males also,is not OPAL-Midnight-Purple, in color? Seems your lumping all birds that have the black shoulder pattern in one group,,not distinguishable by color,,,somewhere I REALLY,,,REALLY fell off the bandwagon here,,,everyone else I have met refers to what color their bird is when relating to a B/S,,,such as Bronze B/S,,Opal B/S,,India Blue B/S,,Midnight B/S,,Cameo-Oaten B/S,,,Peach B/S,maybe I should get Bigcreekpoultry here to justify her birds she sold me too? This sentence tho really,really has me stumped,, Also, what's an "IB B/s male"? They can't be both Indian Blue and black-shouldered. Maybe you can post some pictures of the possible parents so we can help identify them for you.

 

[Kedreeva]

I think it's just a simple misunderstanding, FBC, don't think Nathowe was accusing you, just making an observation that wasn't quite informed Peafowl genetics can be pretty complicated (ok VERY complicated haha!) when you're first stepping into figuring them out; I had hours and hours of conversations with Deerman and Kev and a few others in order to suss it all out for the genetics post. They were so patient with me!

 

[frenchblackcopper]

What COLOR,,are all of these Peacocks?,,,and what PATTERN does each have please?? In my opinion,,,,all 3 are India Blues,(At least they all look the same color blue to me),all 3 have a diffrent PATTERN,,,one barred wing,one black shoulder,and the last being Pied,,thus each is called,,India Blue Black Shouldered,,(IB B/S) India Blue(IB) and India Blue Pied(IBP),,every breeder whom I've ever spoken with ALWAYS refers to what COLOR the bird is first,,then the PATTERN,,never heard anyone tell me they have a black shouldered india blue,,or a pied india blue,,rather always hear others say the color first,,then the pattern,,such as IB B/S,,Blue Pied,,,I use BSSP when speaking of my Black shoulder silver pieds,because it's easier typing,that instead of SPBS,,But I'm diffrent at times

 

[Kedreeva]

Actually BSSP is the correct way to abbreviate a blackshoulder silver pied. The correct order (By the UPA standards) is to identify the color first and then the pattern, and the patterns (should there be more than one) should be listed in the chronological order of their occurrence within the species- that is to say, blackshoulder and then pied and then white eye and then silver pied. If you have a spalding bird, then spalding is listed before both color and pattern.

As for those particular three males, the top is a blue, the middle is an blue pied, and the bottom is a blue blackshoulder (solid wing).