Sick newbies-keep or cull

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I moved states and acquired a new flock of baby chicks in late summer. I didn't want to wait till spring for eggs so I bought two 22 week old barred rock pullets that I immediately quarantined separate from all the youngsters. One showed respiratory symptoms on day 1, the occasional sneeze and gape, but mostly a raspy labored breathing during feeding or after running accompanied by a loud honk/squeek sound. Basically she sounds like a pug breathing but it's only audible during feeding or after exercise (me trying to catch her) and the gaping is infrequent or usually at night. She is eating and drinking regularly. The healthier of the two is now presenting with the same symptoms, after one month in quarantine together. I have given a single dose of a wormer that treats gapeworm (fenbendazole) and some VetRx and probiotics. The one who was the initial sick girl still has the same symptoms but comb has reddened up. But the other girl now has symptoms matching hers. They are now 26 weeks and have never laid an egg.

They are about 50 feet away from the large brooder/coop of my ten babies (9 weeks old) and on the opposite side of the yard and home. I have been kicking myself for bringing home two mature birds but now feel sort of invested in their well being. If I had already integrated them with my young flock there would be no question that I would continue to try treating them, because everyone would already be exposed if it's Mycoplasma or something similar. But since they have never joined my flock, and I have not been sharing tools and I have been diligent about showering and changing clothes between visiting the different birds, it's possible I haven't exposed my young flock yet. There were a couple occasions however when they broke out of their quarantine pen and went over and mingled with the babies through 1/2wire cloth. but that was about three weeks ago and babies are still healthy.
Should I just cull these two hens now who have never laid or left quarantine now before I keep risking the rest of my birds? Or is it more likely that it spread through the air anyway and try to acquire antibiotics or see if it gets better on its own.
From reading all the previous similar threads it seems there's no easy decision on these matters. But I just can't go to a vet after I spent $600 on a pullet a couple years ago for them to simply tell me she needs more calcium.
 
One showed respiratory symptoms on day 1, the occasional sneeze and gape, but mostly a raspy labored breathing during feeding or after running accompanied by a loud honk/squeek sound. Basically she sounds like a pug breathing but it's only audible during feeding or after exercise (me trying to catch her) and the gaping is infrequent or usually at night.
The healthier of the two is now presenting with the same symptoms, after one month in quarantine together. I have given a single dose of a wormer that treats gapeworm (fenbendazole) and some VetRx and probiotics.

Welcome To BYC!

Can you get a video of what they sound like? Upload video to YouTube and provide a link.

What do you feed including treats?

What's your temperatures like - where are you located in the world?
Is food provided free choice or do you have designated times you bring feed out?

You gave Fenbendazole - what dose and for how many days?
You mention giving a single dose to treat Gapeworm, it would need to be administered for 5 days in a row at a rate of 0.23ml per pound.

Hard to know the cause of the symptoms you are seeing without some testing. It very well could be respiratory illness like Mycoplasma, Infectious Bronchitis or other respiratory disease.
A couple of things stand out to me - you notice the breathing when feeding and when chasing/trying to catch - most birds if they are not used to being handled will gape when caught. What is the reason for trying to have to catch them all the time?

Have you checked to make sure crops are emptying overnight and have you looked inside the beaks to make sure they are clear of lesions or canker?

As for culling, that would be up to you. Consider getting some testing to find the cause. You can use an independent lab like Zoologix or check with your state lab about testing.
https://www.metzerfarms.com/PoultryLabs.cfm
 
i am in salt lake city utah. temps are 70's high, 50's low right now but when i brought them home over a month ago it was high 90's. their run is dry.

i'm feeding chick starter still with oyster shells and black sunflower seeds thrown in twice a day and they eat a lot!
just found out the breeder raised them solely on scratch and they were near turkeys but in a closed pen, not free ranging.
i gave a pea sized amount of the ivermectin paste for horses one time(didn't do the follow up dose because of conflicting info regarding using it for gapeworm)
switched to fenbendazole a week later. gave one dose (6.7mg capsule on meal worms)and was going to follow up in ten days like the bottle says to do. (says do for three days in a row for heavy infestation) but i don't know if i have a gapeworm infestation at all let alone a heavy one.
i've been trying to catch them because initially they weren't going in their coop at night so i had to put them away. i had to catch her to examine her throat (which looked normal) and listen to breathing. i had to catch them to put vet rx on their heads. but i try to leave them alone mostly.

it has now spread to my 9 week old babies it seems. they are scratching the side of their heads a lot, sneezing, and stretching their necks up with some opening and closing of their beaks. and i think i heard a cough/honk during their feeding too😓
all crops look normal in morning and feel normal when full and no weird smell.
i'm less inclined to cull now that it could be everyone. i am so sad i brought sick grown birds into my flock i was so happily raising. 😭
thanks for the help/discussion
i will take a video shortly.

Welcome To BYC!

Can you get a video of what they sound like? Upload video to YouTube and provide a link.

What do you feed including treats?

What's your temperatures like - where are you located in the world?
Is food provided free choice or do you have designated times you bring feed out?

You gave Fenbendazole - what dose and for how many days?
You mention giving a single dose to treat Gapeworm, it would need to be administered for 5 days in a row at a rate of 0.23ml per pound.

Hard to know the cause of the symptoms you are seeing without some testing. It very well could be respiratory illness like Mycoplasma, Infectious Bronchitis or other respiratory disease.
A couple of things stand out to me - you notice the breathing when feeding and when chasing/trying to catch - most birds if they are not used to being handled will gape when caught. What is the reason for trying to have to catch them all the time?

Have you checked to make sure crops are emptying overnight and have you looked inside the beaks to make sure they are clear of lesions or canker?

As for culling, that would be up to you. Consider getting some testing to find the cause. You can use an independent lab like Zoologix or check with your state lab about testing.
https://www.metzerfarms.com/PoultryLabs.cfm
 
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You are probably dealing with a respiratory illness. Which one it would be hard to know.
Both IB and MG can spread quickly within a flock.
Seeking vet care or testing is a good idea if that's an option for you. If not, then you could try an antibiotic like Tylosin to see if that helps with symptoms. https://www.jedds.com/shop/tylan-soluble-100-g/

It's good that they are still eating/drinking. I would not add oyster shell or sunflower seeds to the feed. Sunflower seeds can be given sparingly as a treat.
Oyster Shell and Crushed Granite (grit) should also be provided free choice.
 

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