Silkie thread!

[Tikkijane]

I think Sultans would be ok, too........ they are not listed as breeds that TSC carries, however, the hatchery they get them from has Sultans. So, I agree that they could well be Sultan chicks. Hmmmm. Will have to research them, lol.

And, they don't list the assortment in the assorted bantams, but the hatchery lists Sultans in their assorted bantam collection. I'm glad I got two of them. I really was hoping to get whites and blues; looks like I may have ended up with just buffs! This was my one shot at getting them (because I am getting 3 more full size and that will definitely put me over 20 unless quite a few are boys, which may be the case) and I won't be getting more. Now I'm wondering if I should have waited and ordered the colors.............

 

[chisNchickens]

It is labeled as an antibiotic, it IS a drug and therefore not at all natural. SIde effects I saw listed were mild such as nausea, etc. but I also saw warnings to wear gloves and protective eye wear. Regardless, I have been naturally rearing dogs for many years and am fairly confident in my abilities, despite being a chicken newbie. Always studying, tend to be obsessive about it (dogs and now birds), and I am an open-minded person. I understand there are times that drugs are necessary, I just have not found it necessary to use corrid and the like. I will say I provide my chicks with plenty of room and feed a variety of grains and animal proteins. I love and respect my charges for exactly what they are and try to provide species appropriate heaven for them....so don't worry about me

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I agree, it is so very important to educate yourself. Most people don't even know or care, for instance, that a big bad company named monsanto is trying to make us all eat ONLY genetically modified foods. This is not a good thing, but I digress (sorry).
GSE is grape seed extract.

Amprolium is NOT an antibiotic. It has NO AFFECT on any bacteria; it is effective at controlling the reproduction of certain types of protozoa which frequently infect the intestinal tract of chickens (and many other species).

From everything I have read, the only side affect would be thiamine deficiency in the bird, and that is when it is given amounts above the recommended dose. You could counter that with vitamins, but then you would essentially be rendering the amprolium ineffective against coccidia.

I have no issue with people raising their animals for natural immunity; I just want to be sure they have accurate information for making their choices.

I have no idea what GSE is.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

It is labeled as an antibiotic, it IS a drug and therefore not at all natural. SIde effects I saw listed were mild such as nausea, etc. but I also saw warnings to wear gloves and protective eye wear. Regardless, I have been naturally rearing dogs for many years and am fairly confident in my abilities, despite being a chicken newbie. Always studying, tend to be obsessive about it (dogs and now birds), and I am an open-minded person. I understand there are times that drugs are necessary, I just have not found it necessary to use corrid and the like. I will say I provide my chicks with plenty of room and feed a variety of grains and animal proteins. I love and respect my charges for exactly what they are and try to provide species appropriate heaven for them....so don't worry about me

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I agree, it is so very important to educate yourself. Most people don't even know or care, for instance, that a big bad company named monsanto is trying to make us all eat ONLY genetically modified foods. This is not a good thing, but I digress (sorry).
GSE is grape seed extract.


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It is labeled as a COCCIDIOSTAT, and as a THIAMINE BLOCKER, not as an antibiotic, which would require that it be effective against bacteria, which it is NOT. Yes, it is a pharmaceudical; never said it was not.

Natural does not mean safe. Asbestos is natural, as are mercury, lead and castor beans; none of these is safe.

 

[Hawkeye95]

Okay--- so my silkie finally laid an egg!! MIGHT this one be fertile?!?!? I'm going to keep it and not chance it. Because for sure, the next one will be. And if this one is, it's mine! LOL Oh and my broody silkie that i was trying to break-- I think she laid an egg and then my silkie that I did AI on-- she laid this morning and I can't tell their eggs apart. My broody grabbed the egg before I could get it and I have no idea which is which. One is infertile for sure, the other is the new one. OH!! And has anyone actually seen their silkies moving the eggs?!? My silkie moved both eggs out of the nest box today and over to the other side of her pen! How in the world did she do that?? I certainly did not do it! I checked the eggs, no cracks from the move. Chicken magic.







It isn't listed as an antibiotic, just as an inhibitor. Think of it like vitamins that counter act each other or aren't as effect unless taken together-- useless (or ineffective) unless put together.



http://www.interchemie.com/veterinary-products/coccidiostatics/amprolin-300-ws.html



Description

Amprolium is a coccidiostat (antiprotozoal) used for the treatment and prevention of coccidiosis in calves, goats, sheep, chickens (broilers and breeders) and other fowl such as turkeys, with activity against Eimeria spp., especially Eimeria tenella and Eimeria necatrix. It is a thiamine (vitamin B1) analogue and its pharmacological effect relies on competitive inhibition of thiamine uptake. Amprolium competitively inhibits the active transport of thiamine in isolated second-generation schizonts of Eimeria spp., and in host intestinal cells. Upon ingestion of amprolium, the coccidia experience thiamin deficiency and starve from malnutrition.

 

[Hawkeye95]

Huh. It double posted on me.

 

[BarnGoddess01]

It isn't listed as an antibiotic, just as an inhibitor. Think of it like vitamins that counter act each other or aren't as effect unless taken together-- useless (or ineffective) unless put together.



http://www.interchemie.com/veterinary-products/coccidiostatics/amprolin-300-ws.html



Description

Amprolium is a coccidiostat (antiprotozoal)

Antiprotozoal is an antibiotic ....

 

[peepblessed]

Okay--- so my silkie finally laid an egg!! MIGHT this one be fertile?!?!? I'm going to keep it and not chance it. Because for sure, the next one will be. And if this one is, it's mine! LOL Oh and my broody silkie that i was trying to break-- I think she laid an egg and then my silkie that I did AI on-- she laid this morning and I can't tell their eggs apart. My broody grabbed the egg before I could get it and I have no idea which is which. One is infertile for sure, the other is the new one. OH!! And has anyone actually seen their silkies moving the eggs?!? My silkie moved both eggs out of the nest box today and over to the other side of her pen! How in the world did she do that?? I certainly did not do it! I checked the eggs, no cracks from the move. Chicken magic.







It isn't listed as an antibiotic, just as an inhibitor. Think of it like vitamins that counter act each other or aren't as effect unless taken together-- useless (or ineffective) unless put together.



http://www.interchemie.com/veterinary-products/coccidiostatics/amprolin-300-ws.html



Description

Amprolium is a coccidiostat (antiprotozoal) used for the treatment and prevention of coccidiosis in calves, goats, sheep, chickens (broilers and breeders) and other fowl such as turkeys, with activity against Eimeria spp., especially Eimeria tenella and Eimeria necatrix. It is a thiamine (vitamin B1) analogue and its pharmacological effect relies on competitive inhibition of thiamine uptake. Amprolium competitively inhibits the active transport of thiamine in isolated second-generation schizonts of Eimeria spp., and in host intestinal cells. Upon ingestion of amprolium, the coccidia experience thiamin deficiency and starve from malnutrition.

It played some strange tricks on me yesterday! I'm so happy for you! I know just how you feel! In case you didn't get to see my first chick from my own flock. Here it is!

 

[mama2my4]

It played some strange tricks on me yesterday! I'm so happy for you! I know just how you feel! In case you didn't get to see my first chick from my own flock. Here it is!

SO sweet!!!

 

[ScaredOfShadows]

It is labeled as an antibiotic, it IS a drug and therefore not at all natural. SIde effects I saw listed were mild such as nausea, etc. but I also saw warnings to wear gloves and protective eye wear. Regardless, I have been naturally rearing dogs for many years and am fairly confident in my abilities, despite being a chicken newbie. Always studying, tend to be obsessive about it (dogs and now birds), and I am an open-minded person. I understand there are times that drugs are necessary, I just have not found it necessary to use corrid and the like. I will say I provide my chicks with plenty of room and feed a variety of grains and animal proteins. I love and respect my charges for exactly what they are and try to provide species appropriate heaven for them....so don't worry about me

.
I agree, it is so very important to educate yourself. Most people don't even know or care, for instance, that a big bad company named monsanto is trying to make us all eat ONLY genetically modified foods. This is not a good thing, but I digress (sorry).
GSE is grape seed extract.

It is labeled as a COCCIDIOSTAT, and as a THIAMINE BLOCKER, not as an antibiotic, which would require that it be effective against bacteria, which it is NOT. Yes, it is a pharmaceudical; never said it was not.

Natural does not mean safe. Asbestos is natural, as are mercury, lead and castor beans; none of these is safe.

Agree with HawkEye and Sonoran - it is NOT an antibiotic it IS a pharmaceutical

Antiprotozoal is an antibiotic ....

Definition of Antiprotozoal (Googled for a medical definition )

Antiprotozoal: Something that destroys protozoa or inhibits their growth and ability to reproduce.

Antiprotozoal drugs are medicines that are used to treat a variety of diseases caused by protozoa. Protozoa are one-celled organisms, such as amoebas.


again not an antibiotic. Antiprotozoal is not type of drug and not a drug name like say amoxicillin or penicillin...Protozoal infections are different than 'regular' infections such as bronchitis, etc.



I have been against using drugs and meds as much as possible BUT after dealing with a VERY nasty strain of Cocci that I have here and losing too many chicks and teens or new birds that passed quarantine to it, once I figured out the problem - I changed my mind and do a preventative treatment before I put chicks on the ground, or if chicks are raised by a broody they are fed medicated feed and watched closely for symptoms. I introduce my indoor chicks to dirt from outside within a few days of hatch as long as they are on medicated feed, I now barely lose any birds to it.

 

[ChickenLeg]

Hey guys, you'll be hearing from me often. I just purchased a hovabator 1588 advanced, and 8 hatching silkie eggs (5 blue bearded, 3 white i believe)!