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alright alright. i'm not saying that if you have a pond in which you keep fish that are strictly ornamental that you should have turtles to keep the balance. i agree that in a body of water that wasn't intended for them, they can cause trouble. livestock watering ponds, waterfowl raising ponds, and goldfish ponds; if they are recently dug should have a barrier to keep the unwanted trespassers out. i care enough about my waterfowl, that i don't let them swim in my "turtle pond" exept for a few free range mutts. i have a barrier to keep the turtles in. i do not allow my young ducks to visit the pond. also, red maple farms wrote that the pond in question used to be an old cedar swamp, in which, i'm sure the turtles have been residing for several years. don't misunderstand me, what i was refering to are mainly fish ponds, stocked with some or all of the following: catfish, bass, bream, and crappie. turtles even out the ballance in a fish pond if properly regulated by eating the weak, old, and diseased fish.