So....talk about.....CANCER SUPPORT THREAD !!

[DorothyH]

Oh Boy - I just registered and saw this thread first thing. I thought it was about how to prevent ovarian cancer in laying hens as if they aren't culled that's what they are most likely to die of. I was going to share what I do for my old hens that are still laying like young chickens to prevent ovarian cancer. I can't read through every response because it's too disturbing but feel I should say something. I spent 5 years researching with a vengeance and trying out alternative cures for cancer and have had enough experience to now know for certain that there are literally hundreds of extremely successful natural cures that are not discussed because they don't make anyone any money and cancer is a multi-billion dollar medical industry. On the other hand, the standard medical treatments do not address the cause so cancer recurrence rates are high enough that the life expectancy for cancer patients has not increased at all except for a few rarer forms of cancer.

I don't want to go into to too much detail being so new here but I do want to say that I now fear the flu more than cancer and I don't fear the flu much.

I just must what the person said about diet and sugar is VITALLY important. The one thing that is agreed across the board, in every kind of cancer diet (and there are many that are effective) is that all processed sugars be eliminated. There are diets where you eat all raw meat or all raw fruit that I've talked to people that have successfully gotten rid of their cancers eating - and all kinds of other diets in-between and sideways - but every single one of the foundation diets for treating cancer has in common the ridding of the body of the kinds of sugars that cancer cells use to grow and spread rapidly. Changing your diet alone might not be enough depending on the cancer and your particular situation but it is the foundation which all other therapies must be built upon and for many just changing the diet to starve the cancer cells and get the healthy cells what they need with slow-growing cancers actually is enough - but if not there are many truly effective therapies to use along with diet to support natural healing as well as to directly target cancer cells. The epidemic of cancer in the modern world is not because of genetics. Cancer cells use sugar differently than normal cells. People rarely die of tumors, they die because of growing and spreading which only happens when the cancer cells have the necessary food source to do that. Strengthening the system, the organs, the immune system and using agents to find and kill cancer cells is not going to be effective when you are actively feeding the cancer cells which makes them grow faster than any natural cure can work. When someone dies of cancer they die of malnutrition because the cancer cells steal the nutrition from the healthy cells. Starving out the cancer cells has to be at the foundation of any cancer treatment - even standard medical treatment. Everyone has cancer cells develop all the time but the body is able to get rid of them. If you don't change the physical environment that allowed the cancer cells to not be handled in the first place there is a good likelihood that cancer cells will re-occur or proliferate somewhere else. You need to treat the cause and not just the symptom (the tumor) or the cause will just happen over again.

Ok - I've probably already said too much being new here, but this kind of thing just breaks my heart - people suffering so because of greed.

I'll end with giving a link to a good starting place for learning about the nature of cancer and alternative treatments. The site is cancertutor.com. I don't necessarily agree with everything there but it's a really great place to start an education.

I hope my short little essay here can help someone.

 

[wsmith]

I wish it were that simple.

My wife isn't dying of malnutritioin, she is dying because the lung tissue is being replaced by tumor tissue, which doesn't do well when you are trying to breathe. The bone tissue in her legs and spine is being replacaed by cancerous tumors which don't have the strength to support her.

Again, its not that simple. I'm sure there are truths in the diet viewpoint, and it should be vigorously pursued.

My wife has been battling Breast cancer for over 11 years. 187 chemo treatments, two rounds of radiation treatments. She tried various vitamins, diets, etc, all to no avail. She has now been in home hospice care for two months. We hope to have her around for a few months more.

 

[3goodeggs]

I can only hope they can help keep her comfortable. The pain she feels must be unbearable, and yet she has been bearing it for so long. And what you have gone through, being there for her and supporting her through out, I simply can not imagine you heartache and exhaustion. My heart and prayers go out to you both.

We are what we eat. that is a truth. Healthy food will help keep us healthy. But sometimes, bad things happen no matter how hard we try to avoid them.

 

[wsmith]

Very true.

It gets a little exasperating sometimes. There are lots of kind well meaning folk out there who want to help and give out info. Just last week one of my wife's FB friends posted how my wife could be cured if she were to get HIV injections.....because she saw it on FB. That sent my wife into an emotional panic that took over a week to take care of.

Each cancer is somewhat different. Not everything we read is true. Not every "cure" is that simple.

The hospice folk are very supportive, and keep my wife very comfortable. She has started to decline in appetite, with the accompanying weight loss. Breathing is becoming more difficult for her. She is usually OK if she is stationary with oxygen. Getting up and down is exhausting for her.
I've never seen so many narcotic pain medications in one place at one time.....

 

[chickensnewtome]

Prayers and hugs to everyone.

I agree WSmith, with my Mom, the bone cancer was bad to start off with, she was not able to support her own weight without the fear of cracking a hip and then the lung cancer took over most of her. The one thing that truly helped calm her and let her breathe better toward the end was Medical Marijuana through a vaporizer. She was able to cough up all the stuff clogging her lungs and relax better. We still drained her thorectomy tube twice to three times a day but she hurt less. Cancer is most definitelly different in everyone. What starts out as a small lump that you hope goes away then turns into a battle for your life. Your wife is a strong fighter and people like her are my heroes. My Mom lost her battle but not with tears and anguish but with triumph over how long she fought it off. It is coming on to 4 months since she passed and I think about her ALOT. I am going to go into the oncology field when I graduate in May because sometimes, no matter the situation, a smiling face brings the most warmth to a cancer patient. An open ear and compassion make all the difference. We all might differ in what we believe to cause cancer, or rid us of cancer, but when dealing with someone with cancer compassion and an open ear are all you need. I pray for all of you constantlly and know what the struggle is like. My religion has eased the pain alot knowing that my Mom does not feel pain any more and is in Heaven watching over me and the family as we make it thru this world in an effort to see eachother again in Heaven. Everyone be safe with the cold weather and God Bless!

 

[DorothyH]

Just what I was afraid of. I did not say it was simple. I said that diet was the foundation and that spread and growth need to be stopped. There are literally hundreds of different alternative therapies with different results for different kinds of cancers - and some of them with amazing success rates. I studied it full time for 5 years. That's not simple.

I'm so deeply sorry that all these people are suffering so needlessly. What is needed is for the therapies that actually WORK to be studied properly and administered instead of attacked without proper knowledge or respect.

Your wife WS is being killed by the GROWTH AND SPREAD of the disease. Tumors will kill people if they are in places that interfere with the activity of ducts and organs like brain and pancreas and lungs. That is quite true - that is why those kinds of cancers are the worst to get - but in most cases if the tumor is stopped from it's growth and spread, even if the tumors are not removed, the patient will still live if the cancer is not stealing the nutrition from healthy cells. Most cancers kill from creating cachexia.

When my 83 mother got pancreatic cancer they wouldn't even give her another doctors appointment in a few weeks, she was such a bad candidate to survive even a short time. That tumor closed off her pancreatic duct. Pancreatic cancer is so incredibly deadly because the cancer is in the organ that creates the enzymes that are used to destroy cancer cells. Pancreatic cancer is one of the worst and is an incredibly painful way to die and because of her age and all her other conditions the problem for me was not stopping all pain and that cancer, but getting any doctor to continue to deal with her other WORSE problems! We easily stopped the growth and spread and then were able to actually get rid of the tumor, pancreatic being one of the cancers where even if you stop the growth and spread a tumor can still kill - but that doesn't mean if the proper alternative treatment is given that it can't be stopped from growth and spreading and even reversed.

This is a touchy subject because it is so wrought with fear, anxiety, belief in an establishment and grief and since 1/3 of the American population conservatively will get cancer there are few people who won't be effected by it when it hits either them or a loved one. Almost every American that has made it to middle age has someone close that has or is suffering.

Starting to learn after the diagnosis is so late in the game because it is indeed not simple. I was lucky that before the cancer started hitting human family members it started hitting pets so I got a good long head start, but still, when the dreaded pancreatic cancer, worse of all cancers, was diagnosed ready to take my mother out not in months but in weeks, the fear was incredible and even though I already had success, since she had so many other ailments to complicate things, it was like walking a tight rope while holding another human being in one's arms - absolutely terrifying.

One product that everyone should know about is pectasol-c. It has solid scientific double blind studies in place proving that it stops the spread of cancer. I found that on Sloan Kettering site. If there is one site that will deeply attack any alternative therapy that is it so it was one of my favorite places to do research, but there was not one negative thing that could be said, not even rumor or hearsay, about that product. Once you stop the spread with pectasol-c and change your diet to stop feeding the tumors so they stop growing then you buy yourself the TIME to learn how to reduce tumors. The death sentence time lines are no longer true if you stop the growth and spread - and that's actually the easiest part if you catch it in time and don't kill yourself with the standard medical treatments first.

DMSO mixed colloidal silver takes away the pain associated with cancer in a miraculous way in my experience while fighting it naturally at the same time. You can't use it the same time as prescription meds and there are other important considerations so before using this you have to research it FULLY. I've found that this one treatment in itself can change the tide overnight.

The above suggestions are for you to RESEARCH - not to argue with me about before fully understanding them please. I don't want to debate them. I'm just stating a few basic things that I feel everyone should know about if you don't already.

If anyone wants to discuss the subject based upon facts instead of medical propaganda I am happy to do that because it does take a lot of bravery and support but I am in no way trying to change anyone's mind - just support those with an already open mind. If just one person reads this and starts the journey of understand that's a good thing. Cancer is much easier to PREVENT than to treat. I suggest starting as soon as you can in preparation before (according to statistics) the inevitable hits. Doing the necessary learning when one is already sick, under extreme stress and social pressure can be too late especially if chemotherapy is already underway. Many alternative clinics will not accept patients that have undergone chemo because it destroys the organs and ruins their otherwise very high success rates.

One more time - not simple - but not so complex that it can't be understood well if you have an open mind and give yourself enough time to learn.

My deepest sympathies and compassion go out to everyone who is suffering. I've been through it and understand. It's harder on me in a way to watch family members that are too afraid to go the alternative route (one even when the DOCTOR suggested it because there was no hope with standard treatment) die left and right. It's so very hard to be open minded when you or someone you love is facing pain and death. Everyone has to make their own choices. I feel even deeper sorrow for all the suffering because of what I have gone through and what I have learned from not only in-depth study but repeated experience.

Blessings and light.

 

[DorothyH]

Lunachick - I saw that you said you play a gong and have your chickens for support. My chickens have been pivotal to me in the hardest times to give me a chuckle and relax me and I just received my 38" paiste symphonic gong last week and if there ever was a healing and supporting instrument in this world that has to be it!

My mother went into a coma-like state at one point and the first thing she said when she came out was "I want some eggs from the chickie chicks!" It was the most delightful thing I ever heard said. I don't think I could have survived that time without those eggs myself. I had to literally stay up 24 hours a day with 5 minute naps while sitting up for almost 6 months (please don't make me explain that one - it took me literally years to start to get over it) and I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me alive and going was eating raw egg yolks from my chickens at night.

Funny thing is after never having these things for so long now I wonder how anyone can survive day to day without chickens and sound healing. It surely is a blessing that you have that support.

 

[DorothyH]

Support comes in many forms. If you are trying to fight cancer and need information on what actually works getting information and support from someone who has done it successfully to me is the ultimate kind of support. There is the oh poor baby kind of support which is wonderful, but there is also the here is some extremely valuable information that can help you kind of support.

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[wsmith]

My oldest daughter, who is a beautician, (and still lives at home) gave my wife a manicure last night. Beth really enjoys being pampered, even at this late stage. Extra attention from loved ones goes a long way to support and show love for the cancer patient.

 

[DorothyH]

That's a lovely thing not only for Beth but for your daughter too - being able to show and share her love and affection like that. Beauty care, gentle foot rubs, playing favorite music and just being there to say I love you in whatever way you like to show it is not only wonderful for the cancer patient but for their loved ones as well. That's a beautiful thing your daughter did for her Mom.