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[Animalfisherwoman]

Kerri states that she declined the swab tests because the workers did not show proper ID.

 

[Kathy Golla]

Here's the 30-day detection map ending May 5:
https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/Animal_Health/pdfs/30DayDetections.pdf

The euth activity isn't following the breakout.

Well, it kind of is, but we are only hearing about Perris, Norco, Mira Loma through social media right now. Whats going on north of San Bernadino, where is that hot spot? Crestline?

They also seem to be inflating the perspective on the outbreak map, its not really to scale. Between April 4 and May 2 (last reported date on APHIS site and what 30 day detection map is showing), Riverside County had 9 birds reported that tested positive. This rendering is showing us the outbreak for 9 birds, in Mira Loma, Perris, Norco (Riverside CO), within literally what a 40 mile radius?

If you piece together public data and look at the detection map, literally the Perris blob would equal 2 bird positive detections in a month. Didnt Dr Jones state there was a incredibly severe, serious outbreak to the Jurupa Valley mayor? Oh let me quote "This week (last week), we have intensified our (depopulation) efforts in Jurupa Valley because the infection is significant." That would leave 7 birds detected in a month between Jurupa, Mira Loma and Norco (about a 20 mile radius).

ETA: Why am I feeling I'm trying to apply logic to a situation where logic doesn't apply?

 

[Kathy Golla]

I'll tell you what I find disturbing, IF someone in the same scenario was wrong about their birds not being contaminated or IF a single bird who evaded examination was infected or IF such a person was harboring sick birds out of stubbornness or some wacky conspiracy theory or because they planned to fight them and thought they didn't have much time left anyway or didn't think they could afford to replace them or any reason really, 5 months is a l-o-n-g window for someone else's flock to get contaminated.

This is a terrible situation for all of us in the quarantine zone. Kerri's individual case may have been handled very badly, but I don't think, in principle taking the selfish position that an individual and their flock is more important than all the other flocks who can get infected is helpful or supportable. Nor is it practical given the number of individual flock-owners and commercial operations are vulnerable and need protecting.

It just seems to me to be quite the over reaction/response to 9 birds detected in a month in a 40 mile radius.

 

[Trux]

Lots of emotion and lots of controversy...I am truly sorry you lost your birds. I don't agree with the way they put those birds down either. However, had you kept your birds in your run, you may have avoided this whole thing. The man in the video specifically brought up that point along with many others. The rules for the quarantine were reissued Feb 28th when the quarantine zone expanded.
https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/Animal_Health/Newcastle_Disease_Info.html
On this page to the right you will see a red banner and under that banner is this California Regional Quarantine Notice #1: Los Angeles County and Sections of Riverside County and San Bernardino County
within that pdf is this
All poultry must be confined to a premises in a pen, cage or some other means that prevents poultry from moving off the premises.
And this...All poultry must be isolated from all non-poultry species.

This is why we as flock owners have to stay on top of all the info when stuff like this happens, and stay within there guidelines. Don't give them a reason to put you in the cross hairs

 

[Animalfisherwoman]

This is a direct link from CDFA's VND page:

https://ucanr.edu/sites/poultry/files/301025.pdf

It's a guide to euthanasia for backyard chicken owners. Pictures show how to do manual cervical dislocation without the broomstick. It also says suffocation is not acceptable euthanasia.

 

[Kathy Golla]

@Trux i respectfully disagree.
I’d love to hear some success stories of people avoiding mandatory depopulation.
Kerri is in a mandatory depopulation zone. CDFA didn’t just target her because she wasn’t following the quarantine rules.
Some temp worker goon in a video saying something doesn’t make it so.
There’s a woman in the Mira Loma kill zone who followed every quarantine rule, even appealed via hearings both the quarantine AND the kill order. Didn’t work out.
From what I’m seeing nothing anyone does will make a difference if a person is in a mandatory depopulation zone.
I’ve even heard stories of People hiding their chickens inside the house/garage and tearing down their coop so it doesn’t look like they have chickens. If CDFA has an inkling you may be hiding chickens they will get a warrant.
Unless there no evidence at all, no neighbors’ stories, no records, no trace.

 

[Animalfisherwoman]

Someone else in MiraLoma posted to FB SOB that the CDFA was going door-to-door, and a lady said it was her street. She called them for sick birds in FEBRUARY.

 

[Trux]

@Trux i respectfully disagree.
I’d love to hear some success stories of people avoiding mandatory depopulation.
Kerri is in a mandatory depopulation zone. CDFA didn’t just target her because she wasn’t following the quarantine rules.
Some temp worker goon in a video saying something doesn’t make it so.
There’s a woman in the Mira Loma kill zone who followed every quarantine rule, even appealed via hearings both the quarantine AND the kill order. Didn’t work out.
From what I’m seeing nothing anyone does will make a difference if a person is in a mandatory depopulation zone.
I’ve even heard stories of People hiding their chickens inside the house/garage and tearing down their coop so it doesn’t look like they have chickens. If CDFA has an inkling you may be hiding chickens they will get a warrant.
Unless there no evidence at all, no neighbors’ stories, no records, no trace.

Well you have the right to disagree
But tell me this, should all the rules be tossed out the window? Let vND run rampant and spread till every chicken has been decimated?
I'm sorry that she is in a mandatory kill zone, but the CDFA employee specifically told her why the order was issued...it is on tape, and she admitted that the roosters were not penned, on the tape. So she did break the rules.

Hiding birds...what a good idea...only to have a sparrow come by after cdfa has been through and infecting the flock so the whole thing starts again, thats real smart

 

[Kathy Golla]

Yes, but if you are taking a goons word for it just cause he said it on a video That doesn’t make it so.
There’s a ton of people refuting that persons statement with personal accounts.
I’m validating your point. I get it. If everyone followed the rules maybe
things might be different. More order inside of chaos. Also those who don’t follow quarantine rules put those who are following at potential risk. The situation would have more leverage or credence if all rules had been followed.

 

[Animalfisherwoman]

Well you have the right to disagree
But tell me this, should all the rules be tossed out the window? Let vND run rampant and spread till every chicken has been decimated?
I'm sorry that she is in a mandatory kill zone, but the CDFA employee specifically told her why the order was issued...it is on tape, and she admitted that the roosters were not penned, on the tape. So she did break the rules.

The rules are inconsistently applied, and few citizen Californians know what they are. The overall theme seems to be "kill to be on the safe side," without defining what that exactly is.

By that logic, it'd be more "safe" to quarantine or depopulate Redwood City because an infected rooster showed up at a vet there. As the bird also lived in Tracy and Hayward, hell, safer yet would be depopulating all of San Mateo, Alameda and San Joaquin. You can't get VND if there's no chickens, amirite?

For sure, this sounds absurd. But it's just a logical extension of the "just trust me and shuddup" approach.