Solid neck vs pearled neck pattern?

[ozguineafowl]

Oh they are they are awesome geese

 

[perchie.girl]

For what its worth I have a pearled neck Guinea..... a Female lavender. From Peeps Stock.

 

[PeepsCA]

Wow, that's cool, pearled necks at both ends of CA, lol... but ahem... pics deb, pics!

 

[perchie.girl]

Wow, that's cool, pearled necks at both ends of CA, lol... but ahem... pics deb, pics!

Yeah Sure...... heh heh....

 

[Chikn-Chik]

I have a flock of 8 Guineas, 4 pearls, 1 half pied, and 3 whites. My 4 pearls have purple necks, but my half pied has a pearled neck. And of course the whites are white through and through!

 

[rollyard]

I have a flock of 8 Guineas, 4 pearls, 1 half pied, and 3 whites. My 4 pearls have purple necks, but my half pied has a pearled neck. And of course the whites are white through and through!

This is interesting. I take it your four Pearls with purple necks (solid pattern) don't have any white on breast? Is your "half pied" with Pearl neck pattern a Pearl grey?

If we accept that both solid (violet/purple) & pearl neck patterns exist in wild birds (without pied markings) then we may accept that some factor/s for the differing neck patterns exist between the two phenotypes; consider/compare the wild-type subspecies, ie, some reportedly purple/violet neck patterned, & some pearl neck patterned birds.

Yet also consider the following;
1/ Every Pearl Grey bird bred here that was “solid patterned” in keet down has white on breast to some degree!

2/ Every Pearl Grey bird bred here that was “striped patterned” in keet down has no white on breast!

3/ Every Pearl Grey bird bred here that was “ striped patterned” in keet down is growing out to have the “purple/violet” neck pattern!

4/ Every Pearl Grey bird bred here that was “solid patterned” in keet down is growing out to have pearled neck pattern!

Questions;
1/ Are all of my birds really the solid neck patterned type?

2/ Is it a coincidence that the Pied Pearl Grey birds bred in my flock all have the pearl neck pattern, while all non-pied Pearls have the “solid” neck pattern; both patterns have been bred from the same breeding birds (all pearl neck patterned)!

3/ Is the factor for pied marking (not including a few white outer primaries) epistatic/dominant to that for solid neck pattern?..........or,

4/ Is ? homozygous solid neck factor epistatic/dominant to pied pattern inhibiting “white on breast” expression? And therefore........

5/ Will/can two solid neck patterned Pearl Grey birds carry factor for "white on breast" but not breed any birds that express it?

6/ Is the major factor for "white on breast" responsible for altering keet down pattern?

7/ Do other mutations, eg, that for lavender, alter/influence how the above express? For example, all lavender keets bred have solid neck pattern, & all were striped in keet down, yet some have white on breast?

I am missing something?

Does anyone (including you PeepsCA) have Pearl Grey birds with the purple/violet (solid) neck pattern that have white on breast (doesn't matter the amount)? If so, any pictures of same?

 

[perchie.girl]

I have a flock of 8 Guineas, 4 pearls, 1 half pied, and 3 whites. My 4 pearls have purple necks, but my half pied has a pearled neck. And of course the whites are white through and through!

Oooo Chikn-Chick Love your Avatar

deb

 

[PeepsCA]

Quote: Heya Rollyard, long time no see.
I am pressed for time at the moment and will need to look thru some of my pics before I can reply in depth to your post... but I do have a few Pied Pearl Greys, at least 1 Pied Brown that have solid necks, and a Pied Lavender or Lite Lavender or 2 also. (I think I posted pics of some of them on here in one thread or another, so I'll have to dig them up again). I am sure I have more solid necked Pieds than that in my flocks tho... but I will have to check thru pics or go take a bunch of new pics when I get a chance.

Anyway, I'll edit this reply later tonight or early tomorrow AM when I have time to sit down and actually use the functional side of my brain... the other half of my brain is still spinning from the whirlwind of busy insanity that's consumed me lately UGH! I'll send you a PM so you know to check for my reply.

 

[rollyard]

Hi Peeps & thank you

It is violet/purple (solid) neck pied Pearls I am really interested in (no other colour). I think from memory you asked me something similar to "have you ever seen a solid necked Pied Pearl Grey" before, & I can't remember what conclusion, but thought we hadn't seen them

Had a quick look back over thread & can't seem to find it

I don't know how to link to photos here but I just found one with your photos, a pied pearl with violet neck

 

[PeepsCA]

I think we talked about solid necks in the TB thread too, and the possible relation between solid down/TB keets maturing into fully pearled neck adults.. until you had brought it to my attention I didn't even realize ANY of my birds had pearled necks, lol. Last year was my first year with Pieds tho, so having never seen anything BUT solid necks in my flock of regular Pearl Greys I had no idea there could be any variation on the necks (of Pieds). I remember being pretty surprised to see I had both in my flocks, (and not just in the Pied Pearl Greys, but other fully pearled colors as well).

But yes, I currently have a flock of 14 heavily Pied Pearl Greys... some do have the solid necks, with the purple/violet sheen. I don't know how many out of the 14 tho, I can go get a good look at them all when I let them out in a little while. I know there's at least one tho, lol. Out of the hundreds and hundreds of Pied Pearl Greys I hatched last season I did not keep any records on the birds I raised to maturity and then sold

Would have been interesting to see which was more common, the pearled neck or solid neck amongst all the Pieds.

Just a quick blurp about the white flights on normal Pearl Greys... it's my understanding that the white flights are an indication the bird carries a touch of the Pied gene in it's background somewhere, and if bred to another bird with white flights the off spring will hatch with even more white flights. If allowed to interbreed generation after generation the amount of white will keep on increasing and some white chest feathers will eventually show up. While I've had quite a few birds in my free range flock over the years with white flights (and I have had lots of their offspring hatch with white flights) I have never once seen any white chest feathers develop... but being that they were free range and free to breed with whoever they choose could account for the lack of white increasing, plus predator loss played a roll as well... not exactly a controlled breeding situation to say the least. They were/are all solid neck, even the birds with the white flights.