Some weird genetics here, give some guesses please?

[thistlewick]

So these are all Tractor Supply mishmash breeds and I am just trying to sort out what could be in the mix;

These in #1 are both Cream Legbars -- except we can tell that ONE OF THEM is absolutely not, because no crest. So what is she? A kind-of Cream Legbar? Her colors are kinda there. So wondering about the one on the left.

For showyness here is the one on the right by herself, looking very Cream Legbar -- they are both 8 weeks old.

They are both supposed to be Premium Pullets and even though I KNOW she has a comb and wattles at 8 weeks old, this is our most hen acting chick we have. That or it's the sweetest most darling cockerel ever. Whatcha think about the gender of #2 up there ^^??

Okay so this is Pudding - a "Easter Egger" -- WHAT IS GOING ON with the TAIL? Another "Premium Pullet" but is this a Cockerel? OR, perhaps... is the Partridge genes strong here? BOTH of my Easter Eggers have Partridge-Green shanks but her sister Custard has a calm, normal tail LOL These guys are only 7 weeks old. Both have 0 comb and wattles to speak of. I really just want to know what sort of genetics you think made up this girl in #3??

This is Chocolate, a "Starlight Green Egger" and I am just curious what genetics went into making her patterns/color? She's absolutely gorgeous and quite symmetrical... but honestly I am new to chicken breeds and I'm curious what genes went into making her look like this in #4??

The chick on the right is another one from the SAME BATCH of "Starlight Green Eggers" (and so is Toffee, on the left of this pic #5) Chocolate, Coffee and Toffee are all "Starlight Green Eggers", all 6 weeks old and all LOOK SO DIFFERENT ENTIRELY.
Can you tell me what went into the mix to make any of these ladies? Coffee has a TEENY crest!

Any help with genetics that went into these chicks would be much appreciated!!

 

[ChicNmom]

I don't have any help. But I'm glad you posted since one of my new Easter Eggers has a crest and I had no idea what she might be or what to even call the Mohawk thing she's got on her head. Now I can do some online searching. My girl, Stella, is blue/gray so not the same coloring as your cuties.

 

[HorseGirlAbby]

So these are all Tractor Supply mishmash breeds and I am just trying to sort out what could be in the mix;

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These in #1 are both Cream Legbars -- except we can tell that ONE OF THEM is absolutely not, because no crest. So what is she? A kind-of Cream Legbar? Her colors are kinda there. So wondering about the one on the left.

For showyness here is the one on the right by herself, looking very Cream Legbar -- they are both 8 weeks old.

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They are both supposed to be Premium Pullets and even though I KNOW she has a comb and wattles at 8 weeks old, this is our most hen acting chick we have. That or it's the sweetest most darling cockerel ever. Whatcha think about the gender of #2 up there ^^??

I'm actually inclined to think #1 is a Cream Legbar and #2 might not be. I have seen a few Legbars without crests, but none without barring, like #2. They both definitely have Legbar in them, but I don't know if they're pure. Both for sure pullets though.

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Okay so this is Pudding - a "Easter Egger" -- WHAT IS GOING ON with the TAIL? Another "Premium Pullet" but is this a Cockerel? OR, perhaps... is the Partridge genes strong here? BOTH of my Easter Eggers have Partridge-Green shanks but her sister Custard has a calm, normal tail LOL These guys are only 7 weeks old. Both have 0 comb and wattles to speak of. I really just want to know what sort of genetics you think made up this girl in #3??

She's definitely a pullet, and it's hard to tell what genes are at play. She likely has some Ameraucana back there, because of the leg color and muffs, but she's probably a mix of mixes.

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This is Chocolate, a "Starlight Green Egger" and I am just curious what genetics went into making her patterns/color? She's absolutely gorgeous and quite symmetrical... but honestly I am new to chicken breeds and I'm curious what genes went into making her look like this in #4??

She likely has some Legbar in her because of her comb and lack of muffs.

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The chick on the right is another one from the SAME BATCH of "Starlight Green Eggers" (and so is Toffee, on the left of this pic #5) Chocolate, Coffee and Toffee are all "Starlight Green Eggers", all 6 weeks old and all LOOK SO DIFFERENT ENTIRELY.
Can you tell me what went into the mix to make any of these ladies? Coffee has a TEENY crest!

Same as #4, Coffee is for sure a Legbar mix. The crest gives it away.

 

[thistlewick]

Thank you so much!

Late last night I was trying to begin to understand and learn about patterning in chicken breeds, just to try and grasp where stuff comes from originally -- but it's such a mess so while these are mix of mixes, which is totally 100% okay with me, I'm just wondering what kinda mess of mix is in there.

Firstly, I need to understand what is barring, lacing etc so I'm going to be just reading up on that this morning. I want to know what I'm looking at haha!!

I have 4 more Tractor Supply chicks that are wildly different;

2 "Americaunas" that DO have slate shanks and are pale yellow down with muffs - even though I know people say that Tractor Supply Americaunas cannot be actual Americaunas, these ones look like it;

#1 "Americaunas"
#2 Silver Laced Black Wyandotte
#3 French Black Copper Maran (from Mt. Healthy Hatchery)
#4 Blue Laced Red Wyandotte (from Mt. Healthy Hatchery)
#5 Buff Orpington (from Mt. Healthy Hatchery)

 

[NatJ]

Firstly, I need to understand what is barring, lacing etc so I'm going to be just reading up on that this morning. I want to know what I'm looking at haha!!

The barring gene makes white lines across the feathers, no matter what other color the feathers may be. For some colors of chicks, the barring gene also makes a light dot on top of their head when they hatch. The dot is especially easy to see on black chicks, harder to see on light colored chicks, and seems to not happen at all in some colors of chicks.

Chicks with barring will generally have the white barring visible in the first wing feathers they grow, along with all the feathers they grow later (some exceptions, because with chickens there are always some exceptions, but it's true enough in most cases.)

Lacing is when a chicken has a black edge on gold feathers. The black goes around the edge of each feather, with the middle of the feather being gold colored. When you look at the whole chicken, it looks almost like someone laid black lace fabric over a gold chicken. The "gold" in the middle of the feather can be turned into silver (white) or into red or buff or cream. The "black" lacing on the edge of the feather can be turned into blue or splash or chocolate or white. Both parts can be made much lighter by the lavender gene. But lacing reliably has one color around the edge of the feather, with another color in the middle of the feather.

Some chickens have "double lacing" or "multiple lacing." That means more than one line around the edge of the feather.

Chickens with patterns in their feathers may have one pattern when they are young and a different pattern when they grow up. For example, I have seen some chicks with alternate lines of black and gold running sideways across each feather, but they grew up to have multiple black lines of lacing running in curves around the edges of the feathers with gold in the middle-- so the basic colors were the same but the arrangement had changed quite a bit. I have also seen chicks with patterns of several shades of brown with bits of black and white, but they grew up to be solid red or brown with just a bit of black in their tails and wings (example: some Rhode Island Reds.)

2 "Americaunas" that DO have slate shanks and are pale yellow down with muffs - even though I know people say that Tractor Supply Americaunas cannot be actual Americaunas, these ones look like it;

They will have to grow up before you can be reasonably sure.

A note about spelling: the pure breed is spelled "Ameraucana," with no "i" in it.
The spellings "Americana" and "Americauna" are often used for Easter Eggers that vaguely resemble the pure breed but have some details wrong (wrong leg color, or wrong feather color/pattern, or missing muff/beard, or wrong body shape/size, or something like that.)

#2 Silver Laced Black Wyandotte

If they are the common color with black lacing on the edge of the feathers and silver in the middle, they are either called "Silver Laced" (which is the official variety name with the American Poultry Association) or "Black Laced Silver" (to follow the same pattern as Blue Laced Red, where you name the lacing color first and then the ground color.)

A "Silver Laced Black" would have white edges on the feathers and black in the middle. I don't think those exist at the present time, and they would require a different set of genes than the colors we usually see.

 

[thistlewick]

The barring gene makes white lines across the feathers, no matter what other color the feathers may be. For some colors of chicks, the barring gene also makes a light dot on top of their head when they hatch. The dot is especially easy to see on black chicks, harder to see on light colored chicks, and seems to not happen at all in some colors of chicks.

Chicks with barring will generally have the white barring visible in the first wing feathers they grow, along with all the feathers they grow later (some exceptions, because with chickens there are always some exceptions, but it's true enough in most cases.)

Lacing is when a chicken has a black edge on gold feathers. The black goes around the edge of each feather, with the middle of the feather being gold colored. When you look at the whole chicken, it looks almost like someone laid black lace fabric over a gold chicken. The "gold" in the middle of the feather can be turned into silver (white) or into red or buff or cream. The "black" lacing on the edge of the feather can be turned into blue or splash or chocolate or white. Both parts can be made much lighter by the lavender gene. But lacing reliably has one color around the edge of the feather, with another color in the middle of the feather.

Some chickens have "double lacing" or "multiple lacing." That means more than one line around the edge of the feather.

Chickens with patterns in their feathers may have one pattern when they are young and a different pattern when they grow up. For example, I have seen some chicks with alternate lines of black and gold running sideways across each feather, but they grew up to have multiple black lines of lacing running in curves around the edges of the feathers with gold in the middle-- so the basic colors were the same but the arrangement had changed quite a bit. I have also seen chicks with patterns of several shades of brown with bits of black and white, but they grew up to be solid red or brown with just a bit of black in their tails and wings (example: some Rhode Island Reds.)


They will have to grow up before you can be reasonably sure.

A note about spelling: the pure breed is spelled "Ameraucana," with no "i" in it.
The spellings "Americana" and "Americauna" are often used for Easter Eggers that vaguely resemble the pure breed but have some details wrong (wrong leg color, or wrong feather color/pattern, or missing muff/beard, or wrong body shape/size, or something like that.)


If they are the common color with black lacing on the edge of the feathers and silver in the middle, they are either called "Silver Laced" (which is the official variety name with the American Poultry Association) or "Black Laced Silver" (to follow the same pattern as Blue Laced Red, where you name the lacing color first and then the ground color.)

A "Silver Laced Black" would have white edges on the feathers and black in the middle. I don't think those exist at the present time, and they would require a different set of genes than the colors we usually see.

Yes I did a deep dive into google to learn all the patterns the other night, there was a great post here on this site about it!! I've bookmarked it for future reference.

Yeah, it's Black Laced Silver Wyandottes I have, and I just mixed it up because it's all new to me! lol

 

[Cinnajava]

The barring gene makes white lines across the feathers, no matter what other color the feathers may be. For some colors of chicks, the barring gene also makes a light dot on top of their head when they hatch. The dot is especially easy to see on black chicks, harder to see on light colored chicks, and seems to not happen at all in some colors of chicks.

Chicks with barring will generally have the white barring visible in the first wing feathers they grow, along with all the feathers they grow later (some exceptions, because with chickens there are always some exceptions, but it's true enough in most cases.)

Lacing is when a chicken has a black edge on gold feathers. The black goes around the edge of each feather, with the middle of the feather being gold colored. When you look at the whole chicken, it looks almost like someone laid black lace fabric over a gold chicken. The "gold" in the middle of the feather can be turned into silver (white) or into red or buff or cream. The "black" lacing on the edge of the feather can be turned into blue or splash or chocolate or white. Both parts can be made much lighter by the lavender gene. But lacing reliably has one color around the edge of the feather, with another color in the middle of the feather.

Some chickens have "double lacing" or "multiple lacing." That means more than one line around the edge of the feather.

Chickens with patterns in their feathers may have one pattern when they are young and a different pattern when they grow up. For example, I have seen some chicks with alternate lines of black and gold running sideways across each feather, but they grew up to have multiple black lines of lacing running in curves around the edges of the feathers with gold in the middle-- so the basic colors were the same but the arrangement had changed quite a bit. I have also seen chicks with patterns of several shades of brown with bits of black and white, but they grew up to be solid red or brown with just a bit of black in their tails and wings (example: some Rhode Island Reds.)


They will have to grow up before you can be reasonably sure.

A note about spelling: the pure breed is spelled "Ameraucana," with no "i" in it.
The spellings "Americana" and "Americauna" are often used for Easter Eggers that vaguely resemble the pure breed but have some details wrong (wrong leg color, or wrong feather color/pattern, or missing muff/beard, or wrong body shape/size, or something like that.)


If they are the common color with black lacing on the edge of the feathers and silver in the middle, they are either called "Silver Laced" (which is the official variety name with the American Poultry Association) or "Black Laced Silver" (to follow the same pattern as Blue Laced Red, where you name the lacing color first and then the ground color.)

A "Silver Laced Black" would have white edges on the feathers and black in the middle. I don't think those exist at the present time, and they would require a different set of genes than the colors we usually see.

So these are all Tractor Supply mishmash breeds and I am just trying to sort out what could be in the mix;

View attachment 3880902


These in #1 are both Cream Legbars -- except we can tell that ONE OF THEM is absolutely not, because no crest. So what is she? A kind-of Cream Legbar? Her colors are kinda there. So wondering about the one on the left.

For showyness here is the one on the right by herself, looking very Cream Legbar -- they are both 8 weeks old.

View attachment 3880914

They are both supposed to be Premium Pullets and even though I KNOW she has a comb and wattles at 8 weeks old, this is our most hen acting chick we have. That or it's the sweetest most darling cockerel ever. Whatcha think about the gender of #2 up there ^^??

View attachment 3880923

Okay so this is Pudding - a "Easter Egger" -- WHAT IS GOING ON with the TAIL? Another "Premium Pullet" but is this a Cockerel? OR, perhaps... is the Partridge genes strong here? BOTH of my Easter Eggers have Partridge-Green shanks but her sister Custard has a calm, normal tail LOL These guys are only 7 weeks old. Both have 0 comb and wattles to speak of. I really just want to know what sort of genetics you think made up this girl in #3??

View attachment 3880924

This is Chocolate, a "Starlight Green Egger" and I am just curious what genetics went into making her patterns/color? She's absolutely gorgeous and quite symmetrical... but honestly I am new to chicken breeds and I'm curious what genes went into making her look like this in #4??

View attachment 3880926

The chick on the right is another one from the SAME BATCH of "Starlight Green Eggers" (and so is Toffee, on the left of this pic #5) Chocolate, Coffee and Toffee are all "Starlight Green Eggers", all 6 weeks old and all LOOK SO DIFFERENT ENTIRELY.
Can you tell me what went into the mix to make any of these ladies? Coffee has a TEENY crest!

Any help with genetics that went into these chicks would be much appreciated!!

I had a cream legbar but she didn't have any crest even after 2 months. She was a Murray McMurry chick. cant say what she would be like now as she died.

at about 3ish weeks.