Someone Killed One Of My Chickens!!

[Judy]

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I'm sorry you had to endure this; such an unfeeling thing to say. And thoughtful of you to post this.

I'm sure we've all stuck our foot in our mouth and chewed thoroughly at one time or another. I certainly have.

And I agree, I'm wondering whether this was a 4 footed predator after all.

 

[aprophet]

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No, killing and torturing an animal for fun is what should have been stated. Study's show that killing of animals (for fun) is how most serial killers start. People who kill animals for food either raising them or hunting is not the same thing. I wish people would put things in a correct way and not just say a part which makes it wrong. I was a criminal justice major and worked in the court system for over 5 years. I did not make the post but I am sorry if people where offended. To the OP catch the person on tape and call the police.

The biggest problem I have is someone claims there is a study then never provides a link to said study and at that point it is merely an unsubstantiated urban claim/legend LOL if you repeat something often enough it does not matter if it is true some fool will believe it at some point and repeat it

 

[mchl]

robo was their any track human or other outside your pen?

 

[yotetrapper]

I always love (sarcasm here) claims of studies like that as well. Now, I'm not mad at the poster for posting it, as I am sure she probably believes it. But, here's the thing. So they interview some serial killers, and/or some "sexual predators" and they notice several (or more) of them have admitted to killing animals for fun. Bingo! Killing animals for fun leads to killing people. But, have they checked to see how many of their favorite cereals are cornflakes? Or how about how many of them like to play chess? How about how many of them came from perfectly normal families? Or like to sleep in? Prefer liquor over beer? I'm betting just as many serial killers play chess as they do kill animals. So, does playing chess lead one to become a serial killer? These "studies" are so ridiculous.

 

[GallusGal]

There is actually a really good section in the book "Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat" about the (alleged) link between serial killers and deliberately torturing animals in childhood. Like most studies... it comes up with mixed results - some suggest a link, others do not. One thing that stood out to me is that several studies have shown that most children will at some point partake in and potentially enjoy cruelty to an animal - for example, pulling wings from moths, pouring salt on slugs, blowing up a bullfrog, pulling a dog's ears and tail, etc. Some child psychologists feel it is prevelant enough to be considered normal childhood development, a form of healthy play, and part of the process of investigating and developing empathy, ironically enough.

Here is the difference, however: generally, when normal adults are polled about childhood abuse of animals, there is a common trend: most felt remorse for what they did, either at the time or later when they were old enough to have a sense of empathy. When violent offenders are polled about childhood mistreatment of animals, those who admit to it generally show two common trends: the severity of the abuse was more marked and generally involved an animal with higher societal value (ie. setting a dog on fire vs. squishing a caterpillar), and there was generally no remorse at the time of the abuse nor later in life.

So, while you can't really say that harming an animal is a reliable indicator that a child will develop dangerous behaviors as an adult, you could say that the nature of the cruelty and the child's reaction to it CAN be telling.

Would love to link to the actual aforementioned studies but they were cited in the book, so it's not as simple. Definitely a good section to read if the topic interests you though, and if you are super curious, write down the names of the studies and journals in the back of the book to assess it for yourself.

If I had it handy I'd jot them down so folks could look them up, but I'm at a public 'net spot rather than at home.

 

[carrlr]

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No, killing and torturing an animal for fun is what should have been stated. Study's show that killing of animals (for fun) is how most serial killers start. People who kill animals for food either raising them or hunting is not the same thing. I wish people would put things in a correct way and not just say a part which makes it wrong. I was a criminal justice major and worked in the court system for over 5 years. I did not make the post but I am sorry if people where offended. To the OP catch the person on tape and call the police.

The biggest problem I have is someone claims there is a study then never provides a link to said study and at that point it is merely an unsubstantiated urban claim/legend LOL if you repeat something often enough it does not matter if it is true some fool will believe it at some point and repeat it

Try this site....http://www.21stcenturycares.org/orlinks.htm
I too have had studies showing links between abuse of animals and future abuse of humans. I am an advid hunter/fisher and don't relate that to abuse. Neither do I consider the squirrels I shoot to keep them out of my garden. I do let an occasional rabbit go unharmed even though they get some of my vegatables. I guess that's because they are so darn cute.


Reference to Rule #2 removed.

 

[F106A]

You mentioned you have a deer/trail camera up. I'm guessing that was put in place after the fact? Good idea there. Judges love photographs! In fact, it sounds like something I might do. (Besides, they are cool gadgets, and are relatively inexpensive these days!) The only thing I would be concerned with those trail cameras is the flash. If a human predator gets photographed by one, and sees the flash, the risk is they may attempt to destroy the camera. I would. (Not that I would be in someone elses coop, for godness sake!)

That said, does any one offer an insurance policy for pet chickens? Something in my head just clicked, and I thought of pet insurance. I've never had insurance for my pets, but I've heard of it.

Just wondering...

Mark

 

[Flyingbavarian]

Do I hunt yes, have i killed animals yes, however I eat what i kill. Do I enjoy killing animals either from hunting or the chickens in my backyard for food, no I don't. I do however like the food. There is a huge difference between killing an animal to eat and killing one just to watch it die, or torturing, mutilating one. I do believe that people who enjoy killing, torturing, mutilating animals are more likely to be violent offenders in my mind it has been proven. , [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macdonald_triad, Page 31-34 or so, http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/abuse_connection.php, http://www.associatedcontent.com/ar...tween_animal_abuse_and_serial_pg2.html?cat=17 I don't really think that its unsubstantiated claim to say that there is a link between the two.
I dont think anyone is saying if you enjoy hunting you are some kind of violent offender, like i said before there is a difference. Hunting invasive or pest species or species that are destructive to the enviroment and protecting your livestock is something that is necessary sometimes. Like feral pigs, Prarie dogs, or predators that see our livestock as prey. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers just trying to show there is evidence to the claim.[/url]

 

[MysticScorpio82]

Op - I am so sorry for your loss

 

[Saltcreek]

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They make trail cams that use infared flash now, nobody or thing sees the flash.