Stalled Growth - Need Advice/Help

Tkelley96

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Oct 28, 2017
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Hey guys. I've been on the forum before as a guest, just to get basic information on raising chicks and what not. I decided to register to hopefully answer some questions.

My Fiance and I purchased five chicks a couple months ago and were raising them to be laying hens. We already have one full-grown laying hen, but we wanted more so that we wouldn't have to buy eggs from the store anymore. Before we got the chicks I did extensive research online on how to properly raise the chicks and keep them comfortable. My Fiance grew up in a family that owned chickens, cows, etc. but I didn't have that experience so I brought it upon myself to learn how to properly care for chickens and chicks.

Unfortunately four of the five of our chicks died. We have one chick left, one that I had named "Amby" (latin root of ambition because she was the first to try and fly out of the brooder). We had checked all of the boxes, heat management with heat lamp, bought the recommended bedding, acquired a feeder, water fountain, and ensured that the brooder itself didn't have any defined corners.

The most obvious symptoms of the chicks that had passed were as follows:

  • Constipation
  • Stalled growth
  • Anxiety
  • Almost grasping for air in the last few days of their lives
  • Not able to properly move in their environment

Amby showed symptoms like the rest, but somehow pushed through longer than the others. Now, for the fact of this horrible loss that will most likely make anyone reading really dislike me;

We did not feed them chick starter. Like I said above, my Fiance has extensive experience in farm animals, his mother had raised multiple flocks of chickens from birth. Despite my persistence on the chick starter, he assured me that the chicks would grow and survive on the scraps from our garden. I don't think that was the case given the current circumstances. He continued to blame the chick's deaths on disease and sub-par care given by me. But the main thing I heard and read from anyone that's raised chicks, is that you cannot cheap on the chick starter. They need it to grow and flourish.

In the time that the chicks were passing, we were broke. I did however purchase 4 dozen eggs for our consumption and also to feed the last chick, Amby. I read online that it's great to feed chicks eggs, and it made sense to me since an egg is literally what she is made up of. So she was fed a cooked egg a day, plus whatever scraps I had on hand. She actually perked up quite a bit, she was walking around in the new brooder I set up for her, she was finally doing good.

A few days ago my Fiance got a new job due to a stall in his business. We were finally able to purchase a bag of chick starter! Amby is now growing like she should be, walking around, and actually acting like a chick. She seems healthy, and happy. I set up a new brooder like I said, I put her in a clear tote on top of the table in our kitchen. I figured she wouldn't feel so lonely if she could see what was going on outside of the brooder.

So, if you read all that, thank you. What I'm really wondering now is how the two month stall in her growth will affect her long-term? In those two months she stayed about the size as when we got the chicks. She was alive and healthy, but will that stunt in growth affect her long-term?
 
Hello,
I'm not sure what the long term effects will be on the Chick..During its critical time in growth it was not provided proper nutrition...Your others that died sound like they had pasty Butt, possibly too hot or too cold..They need Granite grit in a separate bowl if fed anything other than Chick starter..Chickens need it to digest food..
Best wishes..
 
*hugs* It's sad to loose our chickens.

Baby chicks need a lot of protein during their growth stages. I don't think the garden scraps were high enough in protein or the other nutrients that the chickens needed to grow.

Keep Amby going. Chick starter, maybe a little wet, to make it easier to digest. An egg on the side is good. Garden scraps are still good, but not as the main feed.

What's in the brooder box? Pine shavings? Sand? (Sand doubles as grit when the chickens need it.)

Can Amby recover from the slow start/failure to thrive? Possibly. Chickens are very resilient. VERY. Members have shared many stories of chicken miracles with happy endings. :)

How old is Amby now?

Have you treated her for coccidious or worms? Even though she has been indoors her life, she can still get both things.

Are you in a financial position where you can afford to buy poultry vitamins, like nutri-drench, to add to her water? That will also help her thrive.

You did the best you can. That's all we can do - is try, learn, love, move forward, and keep learning! Please remember this.

Keep us posted on how Amby does!
 
Ummm not to offend your fiancé but I don't agree that the chicks would survive on just scraps. The main reason I do not agree is that chick starter has nutrients that are essential for babies it has a balance of protein. I think that if you get anymore chickens you should buy a bag of chick starter for them. I am sooo very sorry for your loss I too know how it is to lose a chicken. If you do not agree with my opinion that is fine I am just throwing out there and good luck in the future
 
If I may, I'm going to expand on the grit. If you feed anything other than chicken feed, the birds must have grit to be able to digest. You gave them scraps, and those scraps would not digest properly unless the birds had grit in their gizzard to grind up the scraps. No wonder they were constipated.
No one dislikes you. But your Fiance is totally wrong.
 
The grit was probably a big issue. My plan when we got the chicks was to simply feed them chick starter and there wouldn't be an issue. I did purchase grit from Bi-Mart but at that point it was too late for the other four chicks. Amby now has grit, chick starter, and I've mixed oregano in with her water. She seems to be doing great now, but I'm mostly worried about the long-term affects of this situation.

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Messy table, I know. Just a week of the chick starter and she's almost outgrown her brooder. I think that's evidence enough that we should have been feeding them chick starter all along.
 
You need chick starter for the balance of micronutrients. Not having those probably compromised their immune systems and may have opened them to diseases. That's also why they aren't growing - how do you make bones without calcium? Feeding garden scrap might be okay if you have a massive, super diverse garden, and you let them free range for bugs and hidden goodies. This is probably the experience your fiancé had on the farm, but it's not the same experience you have now.

I am also curious about how you cannot afford chick starter - where I am at, you can get a 10lb bag for about $10-15. I hate to say it, but if your fiancé can't spend under $20 you two probably aren't ready for pets yet.

But you have one now! And she's probably going to be just fine. Since she's alone, she's going to need lots of love. Give her that, and you will have a house pet if you want one. Since it sounds like you've got the food figured out, I'll give you an overview of the illnesses we encountered with our chicks:

Coccidiosis - a digestive infection. Bloody stools (note, some bloody tissue is fine - liquid blood is bad. Trust me, you will know when it's really bloody). To treat, buy Corid from your local feed store, and look up the dosage for chicks. You put it in their water and it should clear in a couple days, but give for 5-7 days anyways.

Upper respiratory infections - this is the bad one. Our chicks had this, and we unfortunately lost one at 2 months old. Gasping for breath, runny nose (chickens don't get allergies!) swollen or puss in eyes, are all symptoms of various respiratory illnesses. Antibiotics are a good bet (we got ours from a vet, but there are plenty of over the counter meds available at feed stores), as is keeping the brooder dry, clean, and dust-free. Treat these symptoms quickly, as chicks can go down rapidly. Note also that for many, the chicken is a carrier for life and may relapse if stressed, and can give it to other chickens even if not showing symptoms. I doubt, however, that this is your problem.

Since yours is growing, she's probably just fine and won't have any of these issues.
 
A balanced diet for each stage of life is needed for every growing animal. That's a lesson you learned the hard way. It's all about learning - you will know better next time. She may very well be permanently stunted and never reach her 'potential' full size. That being said, provided with an adequate, balanced diet she can live a full life.
 
Chicks growing up with broody hen on a farm where other animals drop grains fed to them that the chick/ens can glean is not the same as raising them in a brooder.

Wonders if your boyfriend was directly involved with raising the birds.....
.....many parent/grandparent stories are sorely lacking in critical details.

The right sized grit is important too http://www.jupefeeds-sa.com/documents/GraniteGrit.pdf.
 
I did learn a valuable lesson in this ordeal, sometimes I'm more right than my Fiance when it comes to things he's experience in. To be honest, I typically don't question him on these kinds of matters because of his vast experience in these types of fields.

With that being said, Amby is now healthy and I will do my best to show her love and affection due to her lack of sociability. Fortunately, we are in a much better financial situation at this moment and will be able to buy her everything she needs. I went to the store today and bought three bags of chick starter, plus two fifty pound bags of chicken feed for our full-grown laying hen.

Funny story by the way of how we acquired our full-grown laying hen. The fiance and I were in the garage at about 1am (I work nights don't judge) and started to hear a clucking noise outside of the garage door along with what sounded like feathered wings scraping a hard surface. Of course we were concerned, and to our surprise there was a chicken fluttering around in the bed of his truck. We brought her inside, got her some water and let her roam around the house. I did have to clean up a LOT of chicken poop, but I wanted her to feel comfortable until we could figure out who she belonged to.

Our neighbors that live behind us were on vacation at the time and they had owned chickens so we figured it was their chicken that escaped somehow. So we waited for them to get back, and took the chicken through the gate in our fences to ask if it was indeed their chicken. They informed us that it was actually their neighbor's chicken and they would bring it back to them. We were actually pretty upset, we liked that loud-mouthed little lady.

A couple days later the neighbors came back with the chicken and said that the owners weren't able to take care of her anymore; and that they would be very appreciative if we could take her off their hands. My Fiance called me at work and asked if I wanted "to keep the chicken" and I of course said yes. So yeah, quite the story of how we got our very first chicken.

The lady that lives behind us also found out the chicken's name, Raptor. She was given the name by the family's children because they would chase her around the yard. She dropped a note over the fence with a bag of watermelon scraps with the note reading: "Her name is Raptor, she LOVES watermelon so here's some scraps to feed her. We hope you both enjoy her as much as we did."

I'm still trying to figure out a way to drop a pie over the fence for their kindness but I'm pretty sure it would be bad by the time they eat it.

Thank you all for your advice, tips and kind words. I really appreciate all of you taking time out of your day to help.
 

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