Standard Mille Fleur?

[barred-rocks-rock]

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Old English Game Bantams come in about 55 different colors (if you dont beleive me, look at Ideal Poultry). Two of them are Spangled like Speckled Sussex and Mille Fleur like d Uccles. There is a difference.


Mille Fleur:

https://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=MFOEB&Product=100



Spangled:

https://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=SOEB&Product=106

 

[SteveH]

Mille fleur [ many flowers ] refers to the black bar tipped in white on the ends of feathers . IMO it is a characteristic found in Speckled Sussex regardless if the base color its expresssed on is different than the D'Uccle , OEGB , or another .

 

[hinkjc]

Again, I think this is naming confusion, not necessarily genetics. Speckled sussex have mo/mo. While the actual full makeup is unclear, I believe they hold Mh/Ml/mo. A pure Spangled bird is eb/PG/Db/Ml and does not contain mottling that I'm aware - although I'm sure it could be added (and maybe that's the case with the OEGs). The Db in a spangled bird forces the black out to the edge of the feather in a tear drop or half moon shape. There is no mottled white tip on the feather, as in a mille fleur type feather.

According to Genetics of Colours by Sigrid Van Dort & David Hancox:

-Spangled (teardrop) and spangled (half moon) have the same genetic basis but other genes, perhaps the melanizers determine the shape.
-Standard Mille Fleur has lots of characteristics that are combined to produce the colour pattern of a white tip followed by a black chevron.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding this concept, but I do not feel mille and spangled are as interrelated as folks tend to believe due to naming inconsistencies.​

 

[GraceAK]

Jubilee Orpingtons, but good luck finding them! :O

 

[jeremy]

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Did you order 25? I'd love to have a couple but eek, 25! Do you know if Sandhill will do smaller orders?

 

[Freeholder]

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Did you order 25? I'd love to have a couple but eek, 25! Do you know if Sandhill will do smaller orders?

No, I ordered 15 of the Mille Fleur Leghorns, and 10 Buckeyes. Can you find someone else in your area who would like to order from Sand Hill and split an order with them? I do know that their minimum order is 25, but they have a lot of interesting breeds, so it might not be too hard to find someone who could go in with you (check with local 4-H clubs).

Kathleen

 

[RAREROO]

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Perhaps I am misunderstanding this concept, but I do not feel mille and spangled are as interrelated as folks tend to believe due to naming inconsistencies.

Jody is RIGHT here, it is the names that are causeing the mix up, true Spangled, like found in Silver or Golden Spangled Hamburgs have black dottes with no white ( no mottleing). But breeds like Speckled Sussex, Spangled Orloffs, Spangled Games, etc, are genetically Red Mille Fluer, NOT Spangled, and contain the recessive mottleing gene and breed just like a mottled bird. True Spangled is not recessive and you can get more Spangled offspring in the first generation when breeding a Spangled to non Spangled bird. When breeding mille fluer/mottled breeds like the SS to non mottled birds, It takes at least 2 generations to produce more mottled birds. The only difference in the color of a SS and a MF d'uccle is that the SS have the Red Columbain base color and the d'Uccles have the Buff Columbian base color.

 

[RAREROO]

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Old English Game Bantams come in about 55 different colors (if you dont beleive me, look at Ideal Poultry). Two of them are Spangled like Speckled Sussex and Mille Fleur like d Uccles. There is a difference.


Mille Fleur:

https://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=MFOEB&Product=100



Spangled:

https://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=SOEB&Product=106

The color of these "Spangled OEs" in the link that you posted are NOT the same color as SS,nor are they true spangled as explained in my previous post. The ones that you posted and most of the "Spangled" OEs that exist are Mottled Red Duckwing (aka. Mottled BB Red), Speckled Sussex are based on the Red Columbian color (like RIRs) not Red Duckwing (like BBRed OEs) so that's the difference you are seeing there.

Look again at the difference in
(Speckled Sussex) https://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=SSS&Product=235

and the ("Spangled" OEs) https://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=SOEB&Product=106

 

[ve]

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=304434 Guys,look at this black breasted boy and tell me is he Columbian restricted.Mille Fleur is Columbian restricted wich make red(golden)chest in male.Specled Sussex isnot Columbian restricted and male is BLACKBRESTED .

 

[hinkjc]

That bird is not properly colored speckled sussex. The APA calls for the breast to be mahogany bay, each feather tipped with white, with a black chevron bar.