State Of Ohio Issue 2 (READ BEFORE VOTING)

[bigredfeather]

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I don't feel supporting Issue 2 is a matter of choosing an evil. It came to this because Ohio knew organization had them in their sites, and needed to do something proactive to defend themselves.

Is is because of the success of agri-business in the State of Ohio? Have they drawn too much attention to themselves, so in the eyes of those who govern, are now in need of more regulation? Is is accountability we are going for here?

I feel the organization is concerned with animal care in these businesses. I don't think it has anything to do with the above.

And for those well intentioned people of the HS, can you possibly predict how the changes you demand for animal husbandry will affect the future of food production and availability in our great Country? It seems to me that every time a law is passed in an effort to protect someone, or something, the industry involved usually moves out of country to a place of less restrictions - with the ultimate result being less work and money available for our fellow Americans; and we are forced to accept poor quality, foreign produced products which may be detrimental to our health (as in the case of lead paint on children's toys; high quantities of banned carcinogenic pesticides in produce; fillers in pet food which are toxic, causing kidney failure & death, etc... must I go on?

Loss of money and work in Ohio will be the end result. It will also increase the cost of consumer products.

I'm not implying we seek Anarchy, and just let everyone do what they want, free for all style, darn the consequences; but couldn't better results be achieved for everyone with education, common sense, maybe some help - versus rules and regulations, fines, and possible court costs.

The Ohio Livestock Care Board will attempt to make available educational information for livestock care. So what you are saying will be part of the board. I'm not sure what kind reprocutions will be implemented for those who do not follow the guidelines established by the OLCB. I don't think that has been established yet.

Sorry for the rambling, but this kind of stuff makes me angry. My concern also focuses on how this will impact those of us who raise "Backyard Chickens"?

I don't think the crosshairs of the organization is on BYC owners. Most BYCers have much better accomidations for their animals, because it is more practical. It would increase costs dramitaclly for large agribusinesses to have set-ups like BYCers. It's just not efficient.

Likewise, I don't think the OLCB is looking to regulate our backyard flocks. I have heard other people with this same concern, but I really don't think that is the case. With things in Washington like they are, i can see why people have some concerns, but I don't think we should be concerned about someone telling us how to manage our small flocks.​

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

First, I do not agree with the Humane Society and especially not PETA, but is fear a good reason to make government bigger? It is another in the litany of encroachments on our freedom. It bothers me that people are willing to hand over their freedom so easily for what seems to be a good cause -- preventing PETA and the Humane Society from interfering with farmers

i dont know - to me it seems like a choice between 2 evils.

i guess the 'fear' is the very real passing of the Cali law...which sounds like a great idea. until farmers can afford their business anymore, or someone who doesnt farm makes up arbitrary rules that will or will not affect the livestock. i think a lot of farmers were surprised that the Cali law went into affect. the hard truth is that most people dont know where their food comes from. so throw in some ugly video and Orpah crying about how those poor widdle-chicken-whickens are housed...and it makes sense to the voters who want to think of themselves are more highly evolved than those meat-i-tarians. until your eggs are going to cost $5/dozen and the price of chicken or beef skyrockets, or that $1 chicken sandwich off the dollar menu is gonna cost you much more.

are the organization-objected practices banned in Europe? sure but they dont have our population...and they pay much more for food than the US consumers.

and yes production will be shipped out of this country in a hot second. think about it - we dont import beef from europe but the cheap beef from south america - which helps burn down the rain forests etc...so how is that environmentally friendly?? making it harder to keep food production in the US, to me, is the biggest issue and if we can head off the radical, sure i'll chose that bad option.

the other thing they dont talk about is how some of the big chicken farms (and others) here in ohio are starting to use waste from their farms as energy. if their costs are increased - or they are shut down - what happens to these programs that are actually starting to do good?

again - i dont like factory farms but the bigger issue is the ability for US to keep food production here. just like there could be alternative legislation to keep organization out of Ohio... there could be other legislation to improve conditions are factory farms. i'd rather have it under the state's control where a bunch of farmers can determine guidelines than a bunch of radical folks who are more concerned with the 'welfare' of a meat chicken than people.​

 

[tagra123]

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Legislation to prevent organization in check makes sense.

Will my voice will be listened to by an appointed board when I have a concern?


How much will it cost?

How big will this program grow -- support staff, etc...

And the real question -- just why can't this be handled by the Ohio Department of Agriculture?




Handing this over to an existing department and giving the addition mission to them can be done without messing without an amendment to the Ohio Constitution.

I'll admit I don't know the answer, but this just seems wrong.

Actual amendment text:

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TO CREATE THE OHIO LIVESTOCK CARE STANDARDS BOARD TO ESTABLISH
AND IMPLEMENT STANDARDS OF CARE FOR LIVESTOCK AND POULTRY
Proposed by Joint Resolution of the General Assembly
To adopt Section 1 of Article XIV of the Constitution of the State of Ohio
This proposed amendment would:
1. Require the state to create the Livestock Care Standards Board to prescribe standards for
animal care and well-being that endeavor to maintain food safety, encourage locally
grown and raised food, and protect Ohio farms and families.
2. Authorize this bipartisan board of thirteen members to consider factors that include, but
are not limited to, agricultural best management practices for such care and well-being,
biosecurity, disease prevention, animal morbidity and mortality data, food safety
practices, and the protection of local, affordable food supplies for consumers when
establishing and implementing standards.
3. Provide that the board shall be comprised of thirteen Ohio residents including
representatives of Ohio family farms, farming organizations, food safety experts,
veterinarians, consumers, the dean of the agriculture department at an Ohio college or
university and a county humane society representative.
4. Authorize the Ohio department that regulates agriculture to administer and enforce the
standards established by the board, subject to the authority of the General Assembly.
If adopted, this amendment shall take effect immediately.
A “YES” vote means approval of the amendment.
A “NO” vote means disapproval of the amendment.
A majority YES vote is required for the amendment to be adopted.

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[roostercruiser]

Land of the free??? Where?? The goverment controls everything except where you work and what you buy. We pay these people to tell us what we can and can not do. 1 example is the use of seat belts. Should you wear one? Well of course. Should the goverment tell you that you have to wear one or you will be stopped? No, it should be a choice. It is not harming anyone. Like in most cases it is an easy way for them to make money. Look at cigarettes. They are proven to kill people but they don't ban them. Why? About 75% of the cost of them is taxes. They don't care about anyone but themselves and yet we all just sit back and let them do what they want or let them make us think they are doing the right thing.

There's way to many people in this country that are either stupid or just way to lazy to do what is right and that is half of the problem with why the goverment has taken control of everything and it's those people who make it bad for the rest . Everyone so quick to judge. I have worked on a large swine farm and that place was cleaner than some peoples houses. Most of the large farms don't need people to tell them what to do. They have so much money invested they make sure everything is in top shape. If you want less goverment control vote NO and write your congress man or woman and tell them if they try to bring any control over ag then the next election you will vote for someone else. It has to be everyone sticking together though not just one person.

 

[keljonma]

AGRICULTURE IS THE NUMBER ONE ECONOMY IN OHIO

Every Ohioan should read and investigate the issue. Talk to people on both sides. Go to a town meeting.

Would you rather have

a board comprised of thirteen Ohio residents including representatives of Ohio family farms, farming organizations, food safety experts, veterinarians, consumers, the dean of the agriculture department at an Ohio college or university and a county humane society representative.

Or a board comprised of people who live elsewhere, have their own agendas, and don't really care about the economic state of Ohio.​

 

[BeccaOH]

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Or a board comprised of people who live elsewhere, have their own agendas, and don't really care about the economic state of Ohio.

I'd rather not have any type of government sticking their nose into people's farming choices, but in this case I'd rather have a local board handling things and keeping groups like HUSU and PETA that are ruled by emotions in check.

 

[keljonma]

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Or a board comprised of people who live elsewhere, have their own agendas, and don't really care about the economic state of Ohio.

I'd rather not have any type of government sticking their nose into people's farming choices, but in this case I'd rather have a local board handling things and keeping groups like HUSU and PETA that are ruled by emotions in check.

I feel exactly the same way, Becca!

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

I feel exactly the same way, Becca!

me too... but come on this is ohio.. they wont have the money anyway
;-) hee hee hee​

 

[amyparrotflock]

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I feel exactly the same way, Becca!

Being a new resident on the "outskirts" of Columbus and seeing issue 2 signs EVERYWHERE I did some looking for myself and decided that whatever organization and PETA want me to do, I'm not going not. They say vote no, they have an eye on still having a issue on the ballot next year...... I don't want them telling me what to do.

I've fought off other legislation before I moved out here in regards to what they wanted to do with "animal adoptions"- basically every animal would have to be speutered- and you'd have to be licensed to rehome or adopted out any animal-that list would be public- including a gold fish. That makes it easier to flush the fish- further abusing it than trying to do the right thing and put the fishes welfare in the best interest.

I'm voting yes, and after reading several articles to the hubby he feels the same too, PETA and organization aren't my friends.

 

[BeccaOH]

So, is it true that the Human Society will sit on the board and only one OH farmer if Issue 2 goes through? Is all of the Farm Bureau against it while places like the local livestock auctions back the issue? I'm more confused about it than ever. I need to find the full thing to read and try to make since of. Is there really a best choice here?