Stopped roosting and stopped laying

kagarris

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Jan 29, 2019
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I've got 80 sq ft of covered run plus 16 sq ft in the coop. Hens have been very happy in the coop until lately. I really don't think they are over crowded. I have not seen any pecking issues at all. A few weeks ago they stopped roosting and started sleeping on the floor of the coop all huddled at the door. Poop on the eggs was one clue. Per blogs I read, I decided there must be mites in the coop. There was no ammonia odor. They still went up into the nests and laid eggs. They just wouldn't roost. Although I did not see any mites, I completely cleaned out the coop and oiled perches and even spread some diamatoceous earth (DE) up there. Then I put new pine shavings in on top of the DE. I even added herbs to their nest boxes. That seemed to please them and they went back to roosting. They never stopped laying.

And now they stopped going up into the coop and they've stopped laying. I tried herding them up there, which is no small feat, and shut the door to lock them in. I checked them later and they were huddled at the door on the floor instead of roosting. I thought that might be more stressful than just leaving them alone so I didn't herd them more than once. I did try coaxing them with treats and only 3 of them ventured up, ate treats, and went back down.

They are just over 6 months old now. They've been laying for about a month averaging 5-6 eggs a day. Short days up here in the Pacific Northwest so the number is not surprising to me for young hens. I talked to a friend who thought it might be mites and told me to check the base of their feathers. I looked and do not see any mites or critters crawling on them. Their legs look healthy and smooth, no sign of mites there. They look healthy overall. I feed them probiotics in their water and Purina Layena Medicated. Geeze, I'm doing everything I know to keep them healthy. I know there is something wrong and I don't know what to try next.

I give them about two tablespoons of mealworms or treats specifically marketed for chickens (less when they were chicks) every day. I don't think two tablespoons for nine chickens sounds like more than 10% of their diet. Though, I know animals are not stupid. I had a dog once that decided she didn't want her dinner unless it had broth poured over it. We had to let her starve a few days before she would eat plain dry food. I'm thinking that may be what is happening with my chickens. Could they be starving themselves all day waiting for me to bring them treats in the afternoon? That would mean they are not getting the nutrition they need to produce eggs. That doesn't explain why they won't roost.

I've read blogs and blogs and blogs til I'm at my wit's end. Clearly, something is making my ladies very unhappy.

Does anyone have a suggestion what I should do next?
 
I'm sorry, that can be really frustrating. I saw in your intro you have 9 hens. Did you get them as started pullets or chicks? I've heard an unreasonable number of stories where people unwittingly bought sick or infected chickens that never showed any signs of illness until later.
Wouldn't the mites be visible on the chickens under their feathers? Or do they leave the chickens each day?

Yes, red mites hide very well during the day, come out and feed on chickens at night, then hide again when the sun comes up. Awful buggers! And many chickens even refuse to go inside the coop at all at night. Was your coop brand new or used? This link explains some common poultry lice and mites:
https://anrcatalog.ucanr.edu/pdf/8162.pdf
but I'm not sure exactly how to fully get rid of them. This time of year a pesticide powder would be better than a spray, to keep your girls from being wet and cold. So-called natural remedies hardly ever work.

Another possible reason could be a predator trying to get in during the night. Maybe snakes stealing the eggs... or raccoon scratching and making noise could scare them off the roosts. Also what is the actual total length of roost bars? If you have less that 10 linear feet they could be feeling crowded. Even though everyone got along fine for a while, as chickens mature, they get more picky about their sleeping space.
How Much Room Do Chickens Need

If there's mites or a marauding predator, that can be stressful enough for the chickens to just stop laying. It sounds like you're very mindful of the amount of treats you give, I don't think that's the problem. Just check their crop in the evening to make sure it's full and they're eating well. It never hurts to offer a separate container of oyster shell to make sure they get enough calcium.
 
I bought them in early August. They've been the picture of good health so far. Even now, to me the new chicken owner, I don't see anything other than their behavior. I stopped at the farm store today and they had exactly two options for mites. Permethrin powder with all sorts of health-hazard warnings on the label and a spray with active ingredients being clove oil and cottonseed oil. I bought the spray. After dark tonight I went out with a very bright flashlight to try and see mites. Nope. Couldn't see them on the one chicken I pestered. If one chicken has them, all chickens would have them, right? That's how it is with kids and lice. Been there. I couldn't see any in the coop or nesting area. I can't see the perches without a whole lot of trouble, they are too high. So I just sprayed the coop as best I could without removing the coop wall.

It is a brand new coop. We built it ourselves. This is the first flock to occupy it. There are two 4-foot perches. I peeked in on them a few times and there was definitely room to spare.

We went over-the-top with coop security :) because we live in a very forested area. Coyotes, owls, hawks, coons, neighboring cats, etc. We tried to consider them all. The coop is very near my Mom's window and she hasn't heard any ruckus. Wouldn't they screech and holler if a predator was scratching? I don't see evidence of that though. I doubt predators can get in. The coop/run is sitting on CBS blocks, 2x4 construction and completely closed in with wire mesh. The mesh is what I've always called rabbit wire. It has 3/8 (or maybe 1/2) inch squares, much smaller than chicken wire. Any snake small enough to fit through it would probably be devoured in moments!

Now I've sprayed that stuff. I guess we wait, unless anyone has a better idea. Thanks for the replies. I appreciate it. Chickens are more complicated than I thought. No regrets though. They are fascinating and fun little gals for sure!
 

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I bought them in early August. They've been the picture of good health so far. Even now, to me the new chicken owner, I don't see anything other than their behavior. I stopped at the farm store today and they had exactly two options for mites. Permethrin powder with all sorts of health-hazard warnings on the label and a spray with active ingredients being clove oil and cottonseed oil. I bought the spray. After dark tonight I went out with a very bright flashlight to try and see mites. Nope. Couldn't see them on the one chicken I pestered. If one chicken has them, all chickens would have them, right? That's how it is with kids and lice. Been there. I couldn't see any in the coop or nesting area. I can't see the perches without a whole lot of trouble, they are too high. So I just sprayed the coop as best I could without removing the coop wall.

It is a brand new coop. We built it ourselves. This is the first flock to occupy it. There are two 4-foot perches. I peeked in on them a few times and there was definitely room to spare.

We went over-the-top with coop security :) because we live in a very forested area. Coyotes, owls, hawks, coons, neighboring cats, etc. We tried to consider them all. The coop is very near my Mom's window and she hasn't heard any ruckus. Wouldn't they screech and holler if a predator was scratching? I don't see evidence of that though. I doubt predators can get in. The coop/run is sitting on CBS blocks, 2x4 construction and completely closed in with wire mesh. The mesh is what I've always called rabbit wire. It has 3/8 (or maybe 1/2) inch squares, much smaller than chicken wire. Any snake small enough to fit through it would probably be devoured in moments!

Now I've sprayed that stuff. I guess we wait, unless anyone has a better idea. Thanks for the replies. I appreciate it. Chickens are more complicated than I thought. No regrets though. They are fascinating and fun little gals for sure!
Have they laid all winter. If so they might just be taking a break. Most breeds aren't gonna lay 365 days a year. I know it sounds counter intuitive because the days are getting longer. My BO is projected to lay 200 eggs a year. So that means she doesn't lay 165 days a year. Those days can be all in a row, or spread out.

As for thinking they are starving themselves. Check their crops. Should be full at bedtime so they can work overnight digesting and stay warm. Should be empty in the morning. Maybe feed them when you can see exactly how much they are eating also.
Hope you figure it all out.
 
Somebody else suggested checking their crops. I've never heard of that. Just googled it and I will check that tomorrow. They have a large food dispenser as well as a good sized gravel / oyster shell dispenser for free-choice access. The last time I bought gravel, they sold it to me by size. I wonder if I need to get the next size up? They've grown a lot since then. I bought a big bag.

They were purchased in early August at only a few days old. They started laying just before Christmas and have been slowly and steadily laying more eggs until now. They were up to 5-6 eggs a day then just one for a couple of days, now none.
 
Somebody else suggested checking their crops. I've never heard of that. Just googled it and I will check that tomorrow. They have a large food dispenser as well as a good sized gravel / oyster shell dispenser for free-choice access. The last time I bought gravel, they sold it to me by size. I wonder if I need to get the next size up? They've grown a lot since then. I bought a big bag.

They were purchased in early August at only a few days old. They started laying just before Christmas and have been slowly and steadily laying more eggs until now. They were up to 5-6 eggs a day then just one for a couple of days, now none.
So it could be they are taking a break. I'm not saying mites aren't a problem. Might be 2 things.

Are you checking the food to see if they are eating. I feed my birds in the coop AM and PM. They won't come out much now because we seem to have a snow storm every other day lately. I know they are eating. Just trying to brain storm here. Throwing out things as I think of them.
 

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