Strange wild ducks

Duckchick2011

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I have over the pass few years noticed a strange breed of wild duck hanging out in the lake. I have never been able to figure out what they are and thought, why not see if anybody here knows.

They are unfortunately very shy so I have never succeeded in getting a good pic.

They are small, mostly brown(males possibly black, maybe have a green head, its really hard to get near enough to tell), and almost always half under water, when they see you they quickly dive out of sight. Sometimes they will come up on the bank to nibble at the lake reeds but are never more than a foot from the water, they even make little nests in the reeds, though I have never found eggs.

I know I'm not giving you much but, that is the reason why I have never been able to figure out what they are...If any body has in suggestions I would be very interested.
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Hmmm, small diving ducks remind me of ruddy ducks. But, the green head reminds me of scaup, except they're black and white. Could be a merganser, too. Lots of possibilities.
 
The ruddy reminds me of them too but...I have never seen anything like that blue bill on the male. The birds I am seeing are not very color full at all(at least not noticeably), it may be that I am only seeing females...

They are just so darned shy, you usually only see their little heads bobbing about on the water and when they see you its all over.

They usually only stay for a small part of the year.
 
Beak color?

Ever see them out of the water? Where are the feet placed?

Do the dive or dabble?

(( cool site: http://www.audubonguides.com/categories/Birds/text/bird_families.html ))

Ducks

Ducks are placed with geese and swans in the family Anatidae, the waterfowl. They are medium-sized birds with stocky bodies, webbed feet, usually short tails, and often flat bills. Most show pronounced sexual dimorphism in plumage for most of the year, with males more strikingly colored and patterned. (Males of most species molt for a brief time after mating into a duller “eclipse plumage.”) All ducks live in or near aquatic habitats, where they forage for aquatic vegetation, fish, insect larvae, and crustaceans. A few species also venture into cultivated lands to eat grain.

Tree ducks—here represented by the whistling-ducks and Wood and Muscovy Ducks—often roost or nest in trees. They feed by picking food from the water’s surface or by submerging their heads. Whistling-ducks feed mostly at night, Wood and Muscovy Ducks by day. Dabbling ducks (Anas), like tree ducks, rarely dive for food; they feed either by "dabbling" with the bill to pick items from the water’s surface or by "tipping up"—reaching below the surface, tail in the air. Some use their bills to strain water and mud or to strip seeds from vegetation. Diving ducks form a diverse group that includes the bay ducks, sea ducks, mergansers, and stiff-tailed ducks. All forage by diving underwater, sometimes to considerable depths. They swim with wings closed, propelled by their feet, which are set farther back on the body than in dabbling ducks.

Bay ducks (Aythya), also called pochards, forage in open waters. Male bay ducks may be recognized by their striking glossy red, purple, or green heads. Sea ducks include Long-tailed and Harlequin Ducks, scoters, and eiders, which feed around rocky shores on shellfish, and the goldeneyes and Bufflehead, which are more widely distributed inland in winter.

Mergansers have a long, narrow bill, with saw-like serrations for grasping slippery prey.

Stiff-tailed ducks are represented in North America by Ruddy and Masked Ducks, both small, stocky species with tails that are often cocked upward.

Most ducks nest in remote northern lakes and marshes and migrate southward for the winter; they are highly gregarious, sometimes forming winter flocks in the thousands. Courtship, usually occurring through winter and into spring, involves calling, exaggerated head movements, and flight displays by males or by both sexes. Despite continuing work by conservation groups, most ducks are in decline in North America, with the exception of Green-winged Teal and Gadwall.​
 
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Ruddy duck drakes have a bright blue bill when they are in breeding color, but the green head throws me.
 
These birds DIVE, straight under the water, they will pop up again in a completely different spot, far from where they went under...I have know them to stay under for about a minute or two...possibly more.

I have only observed one out of the water once, a brown female, the same color as a mallard hen, but smaller, she was on the opposite bank and so well camouflaged I could hardly see her...beak color is dark brown as far as I can tell.

...they may or may not have a green head...like I said, extremely elusive, we've been living on this lake for years, we are always in and around it and still, we have never gotten close enough to properly observe their coloration...
 
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http://www.stanford.edu/group/stanfordbirds/text/essays/Swimming.html

Swimming

One of the most graceful sights in the animal world is a penguin swimming underwater. With seemingly no effort, they rocket around using their wings to "fly" through the ocean. Swimming penguins change the angle of the leading edge of their wings, lowering them on the downstroke and raising them on the upstroke, so that both strokes propel the bird forward, resulting in smooth progression through the water. The penguins' body feathers are short, and thus trap little air, and their bones are quite solid for birds. Both features reduce buoyancy, thereby helping penguins to remain submerged.

Underwater "fliers" are mostly seabirds with short wings, including cormorants, guillemots, auks, shearwaters, and diving petrels. To work well in water, wings must be short and muscular. Long, slender wings are fine for soaring, but are poor instruments for flying in a medium as thick as water -- they cannot be moved rapidly against the friction. But with their stubby wings, underwater fliers tend to make poor aviators, and some, such as penguins, have given up flying altogether. Diving petrels, however, fly reasonably well with rapid wing beats, and upon plunging into water simply continue to fly through it.

Most birds that swim in fresh water propel themselves with their feet. This is also true for underwater fliers when they are on the surface. The most advanced practitioners of this technique are the loons. Veritable submarines, loons are long, slender, and streamlined, with two powerful propeller-like legs attached to the rear of their body and tipped with webbed feet. Like penguins (and other diving birds such as auks, grebes, and cormorants) they have relatively solid bones and float low. And, like submarines, they can dive deep; Common Loons have been recorded at depths of 600 feet in the Great Lakes.

Other birds that dive but are also accomplished fliers, such as terns, gannets, and pelicans, are quite buoyant because of their hollow bones, numerous air sacs, and the air that remains trapped in their feathers. They turn the trick of submerging much as buoyant human beings often do -- by diving from a considerable height and allowing their momentum to help carry them well below the surface. Kingfishers seem to use a similar technique, but often take their prey very close to the surface. In contrast, grebes can squeeze much of the air out of their feathers, and partially deflate their air sacs, "trimming" themselves to float at any level or to submerge. Cormorants and Anhingas have wettable feathers which help them sink but which also apparently commit them to long sessions of sun-drying with spread wings.



Diving ducks.

on the left, a Surf Scoter keeps its wings partially extended to .....help in propulsion andmaneuvering;
on the right, a Canvasback propels itself with legs alone.

Diving ducks. On the left, a Surf Scoter keeps its wings partially extended to help in propulsion andmaneuvering; on the right, a Canvasback propels itself with legs alone.

Birds that are foot-propelled in water generally hold their wings tightly while diving and swimming, so as to streamline the body. Eider and scoter ducks, however, keep their wings partially open and use them for both paddling and steering. Oddly, the American Dipper often just walks along the bottom. When suspended in midwater, however, these passerines use their wings to swim.

SEE: Soaring; Feet; Spread-Wing Postures.

Can you tell us if it uses its wings underwater?

I can think of cormorants (black) or Anhingas (greesins) that look like they have a green head from a distance - but no way would anyone mistake a snake-bird for a duck...

-stumped-

Well HERE http://www.whatbird.com/browse/objs/All/birds_na_147/38/Location/6408/Louisiana is a list of all Louisiana native and resident invasive birds... enjoy.​
 
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I thought cormorant, too, when I first read the OP. But, they don't look like ducks at all with their long necks and beaks. I was also thinking coot, but they aren't brown at all. Gray and blue, maybe, but not brown.
 
http://identify.whatbird.com/mwg/_/0/attrs.aspx

here
is a ID my bird sighting tool.

-Yeah but if they are really far away and the beak(shape) isn't visible...


American Wigeon
Anhinga
Blue-winged Teal
Cackling Goose
Canada Goose
Canvasback
Fulvous Whistling-Duck
Greater White-fronted Goose
Green-winged Teal
Horned Grebe
Lesser Scaup
Mallard
Mottled Duck
Northern Pintail
Northern Shoveler
Pied-billed Grebe
Ruddy Duck
Wood Duck

---- based on what we were told it MIGHT be one of these I used

Location: (Common) Louisiana
Shape: Duck Shaped AND Perching Upright Water-Like
Color: Brown, Black, Sheene
Habitat: Marshes
Bill: (left blank for now)
 
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I know for a fact that they aren't cormorants, those are even rarer to see( have only seen one once) and are obviously very big birds, these are small birds with a duck bill, they are smaller than coots...have never seen those on the lake either.
 

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