Super skinny pullet - Updated again - She didn't make it

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I have a pullet who seems to be having issues and I can't figure out what is ailing her... I'm REALLY hoping someone can help me!


If it helps, I used the questions from the "sticky". I answered the best I could. Hopefully someone can give advice. If anything more is needed, please let me know. I don't want to lose my favorite pullet.

1) What type of bird , age and weight (does the chicken seem or feel lighter or thinner than the others.)
She is a pullet (about 10 months old); A hatchery bred Bantam Easter Egger, and SUPER THIN

2) What is the behavior, exactly.
She eats, drinks and moves around the pen fine, but I haven't seen her fly (or even jump high) for months now. She's been sleeping in the nest instead of on the roost for maybe a couple weeks now. I don't think she's laid eggs in possibly months now. She seems to have lost the "flight" instinct when there is "danger" - even if all of my other birds are flying around and freaking out. She just runs to the corner of the pen - if she even reacts at all. She has a very droopy appearance - she holds her wings and tail low, but she holds her head up if she thinks I have food (which is any time I'm in the pen). I don't see her using her wings much. She doesn't flap around like the others. She is SUPER thin. Almost downright bony.

3) How long has the bird been exhibiting symptoms?
Please see above...

4) Are other birds exhibiting the same symptoms?
NONE of the other birds have these symptoms. All of my other pullets and my roos (all in the same pen, or adjacent pen) are fat, fluffy, happy and flightly - per normal. None show droopy symptoms or grounded tendencies.

5) Is there any bleeding, injury, broken bones or other sign of trauma.
I have looked all over her and she doesn't seem to have any cuts, bruises, abrasions, broken bones, etc. No bugs, mites, fleas, ticks... Her eyes are clear, bright and alert. Her beak is a little long, but she eats fine. Her feathers are a little ratty, but I think that's mostly because before she turned ill, she was the roo's favorite and her feathers still haven't come completely in. I may be wrong, though; it's been a while since I the last time I saw him go for her.


6) What happened, if anything that you know of, that may have caused the situation.
I honestly don't know of ANYTHING that might have caused this.

7) What has the bird been eating and drinking, if at all.
She gets poultry pellets (layer feed) every day along with plain old water - same as all the other birds. Since she's so skinny and she LOVES to eat grass and scraps, I've been giving all of my birds treats on an almost regular basis. (Only treats on the list here on BYC) I've been trying to fatten her back up. She eats EVERYTHING I give her and eats and drinks just as much as the other girls. She's always the first to drink out of the waterers when I fill them up (she will drink out of each one as I fill them) and is always the first to get to the food dish and scraps. She eats and drinks her fill every time.

8) How does the poop look? Normal? Bloody? Runny? etc.
It seems to look normal, though usually small... I don't think it's anything different from the other girls, though.

9) What has been the treatment you have administered so far?
About a month ago (I think near the end of April), I thought her droopy appearance and general stand-offishness (<-- that stopped a while ago) was because of worms, so I wormed my entire flock. The got two doses of Safe-Guard (Fenbendazole) Equine wormer (they didn't have goat wormer). It was the paste. It didn't seem to hurt any of my flock, and actually, after the "treatment", my pullet did seem a little happier and has picked up her personality again.

10 ) What is your intent as far as treatment? For example, do you want to treat completely yourself, or do you need help in stabilizing the bird til you can get to a vet?
I would like to treat this myself, if I can. The only problem is, I don't have a way to sequester her from the group, nor can I bring her inside. I would rather not have to do surgery.

11) If you have a picture of the wound or condition, please post it. It may help.
I don't have a picture, but maybe this description will help: All of my other birds feel like fat cornish hens before getting cooked, my sick? pullet is like a cornish hen after dinner - thoroughly picked over.

12) Describe the housing/bedding in use
My birds live in a box style coop, with front doors. There are two pop doors that don't close. It is fairly large (though not walk in). It gets ventilation from the doors, so no condensation, but it can get warm. The bedding is shavings from my woodworking and are the same style shavings I have been using since the day I got them.
 
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I would have her poop checked for parasites, I know you said you dewormed entire flock but I would still have a fecal done on her poop, any good vet will do a fecal for you without seeing the chicken you can just take the poop in, cost of a fecal depending on where you live should be around $28 give or take a few dollars.
 
So you think she may still have a parasite/worms? Do you think there is anything else it could be? If it's still just worms, great (I think?)! Hopefully she's still healthy enough to handle treatment.

It wouldn't hurt, so I think I will call up my vet. Thank you for suggesting it.
 
I finally managed to get a sample from my sick hen and got the vet to do a Fecal Float. She didn't find any signs of parasites. I only had her do the one sample.

My little pullet still seems in high spirits and is still eating A TON and drinking enough. She's been flapping her wings more the last couple of days and last week, I actually caught her in the coop twice (she hadn't been going in at all before this). I still don't think she's laying eggs, though, and she's still SUPER thin and bony. She's also still sleeping in the nest boxes which are on the floor of the coop.

I don't know how to help her and I don't want to lose my favorite little girl. I would really like someone's suggestions on this...


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I will add this: to get a sample from her, I had to put her in a cat carrier by herself. I put a water dish, ice packs (it's been unbearably hot) and plently of feed and house scraps in with her. She was super content being in there and, every time, ate nearly all of her food (probably enough for 2 birds?) and drank lots of water. I had the carrier set in the shade of the coop where she could still see the other girls and where they could "visit". All three times, she was in very high spirits after being let out.
 
If you hadn't mentioned the droopy wings, I'd say this was a behavior issue. I have a tiny bantam white leghorn who stays away from the big girls and roosts separately. There's no pecking issues or aggression, but that's because she's learned how to stay out of the mix. She's naturally skinny as can be, but quite healthy. Some hens are simply skinnier than others and if all else is okay, don't worry. BTW, good for you to send the fecal sample to the vet! I think that many times people jump on the "it's worms!" diagnosis, and they are wrong. It never hurts to give a nice epsom salt bath. This can right a mineral imbalance - and droopiness is sometimes caused by that. I call it the "spa treatment" and you can read my blogpost here: (it also works for egg bound hens, hence the title of the post)
http://hencam.com/faq/egg-bound-hens/

and also see my youtube video of how to give a hen a bath here:
 
If it wasn't for her being so skinny and not sleeping on the roost, I wouldn't worry. She has only been this way the last couple months, though it doesn't seem to be bothering her...

I'm tempted to start putting her in the cat carrier a couple hours each day just to see if that will fatten her up. I do know that every though she is feisty and used to be near the top of the pecking order, she does get pushed around and usually backs down after a retalitory peck or two. Maybe she just isn't getting enough opportunity at the food dish...?
 
Could be. I would hesitate to segregate her, though, because that may worsen the issue rather than improve it. Can you offer multiple feed and water stations? Maybe with a few stations she could spend a little more uninterrupted time there.
 
yea try putting the feed in 2 or 3 containors. i know when its hout out i fill the birds waters up adn then bring in a few smal plastic tubs full of water so that everyone gets a chace at the water if no then the more agressive ones will dink it all down before the little ones get a chance, same thing might be happening with feed for you.
 
To help fatten her up, feed dried cat food, mealworms, scrambled egg...anything with a high protein value. I really don't think that putting her in the cat carrier just to eat will have any effect on the way the other hens treat her. She would be away from them for the same time should she head to a nesting box! That way, you will know what she is eating and be able to monitor the amount of protein you are giving. I would also add .5mls of poly vi sol, without iron, to her daily buffet.

Keep an eye on her droppings...if they go green, post on her immediately.
 
Thank you everyone for your advice...

About the "stations": I do have multiple feeding sights and waterers for both of my pens. There are feeding trays at both ends of the pen and three different waterers spread throughout as well. She was eating still, and was getting scraps from me almost every day (at least twice what the other girls were getting). I seriously considered putting her in the carrier since it would be alone time for her to eat and also to get away from the other girls. More and more, they were just tramping over her, walking on her, pecking at her... I wanted to give her some reprieve.

My dad recently made me a chicken tractor and two days ago was her first time in it. She thoroughly enjoyed it and when I put her back and the girls with her back into the main pen, her crop was full and she seemed in good spirits. Before I put her back, though, I noticed she was sunbathing and the other girls were just walking right over her. Yesterday, around 7:00pm, I went out to bring some of the other girls in from the tractor and found that within the 2 hours of my last going out to the main coop, the remaining girls had pecked almost all of the feathers from her head and neck. I put her in the carrier so that she could enjoy the treat I brought out without any more pestering, but she wouldn't eat. Going out to check on them at dark, I found her sitting in front of the floor level nests instead of in it like she has been. I put her in the nest so she would be better protected.

This morning, I went out to check on and feed my birds. I was throwing treats out when I realized that my little hen was nowhere to be found (very UNLIKE her when there are treats). I found her in the nest box in a very unnatural and squashed looking position. I thought she was dead. Turns out she was barely breathing (very labored breathing), her wing is in a wierd position (I can't tell if it's broke), and she can't support her head. She only opened her eyes once when I was moving her (nest box and all). I put her in a large dog carrier under the deck (away from the coop), in the shade but where she can get fresh air. She has water and some food (with a few treats) and is in another box with shavings. I tried to prop her head up a little and laid her so she wasn't on her weird wing.

I don't know what to do for her... I don't think she's going to make it through the day.
 

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