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[Turtle]

Mojo Chick'n :

When I posted earlier of how this thread is like riding a roller coaster...

Reading all the posts this morning I felt hopeful, proud, angry, disgusted, patriotic, and sometimes like I was simply bashing my head against a brick wall. Not all in that order, and not all just once.
Does anyone else feel that while trying to talk politics?

I did not, however, see any one post that said "everything is fine, we can just coast now and let the administration take care of things". Even though we disagree on what the answers are here, if we can get past the "teabagging" insults, and the "my media is more honest than your media" fantasies, we all are basically saying the same thing to differing degrees - "the American Government is broken and it needs to be fixed".

I don't believe that Obama is the devil, I also am not under any fantasy that Bush or any republican or democrat is a saint. I think that they don't have a clue what goes on in "our" world (regular folks) and they need to get back in touch with that or be ousted from office.

I was offended by the Press Secretary's mocking and dismissing the protestors. I can get past the media "journalists" doing so, but to have someone who is supposed to represent the man who represents The People to behave that way was childish and, frankly, a little frightening.

It also illustrates perfectly the fact that the administration doesn't care one tiny bit about what The People want or have to say - they are going to do what they want to do anyway. They believe that we are not part of the equation. They believe they have the power to do whatever, whenever and to whomever they please, and we can't say Boo about it.

Even if you believe that "tea parties" are ridiculous - do you therefore believe that Your Own Voice should be dismissed so easily by those who are here to ensure our Freedoms? Do you not feel even the slightest bit Disenfranchised by those who hold our future in their hands?

meri

good post​

 

[Mojo Chick'n]

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good post

Thank you

I'm starting to wake up a bit....

 

[Davaroo]

It's beginning to look like capitalism doesn't work all that well. Capitalism comes with a whole lot of greed and that's what put us where we are today.
Actually capitalism is the only thing that works. It is the abuses that it engenders which are it's undoing.

You know the Pilgrims that came here from England were a collective ,right? They were funded by Dutch merchants, since no else would give them the time of day. But in return for ships and tools, the merchants required payment in furs, lumber and other goods from the New World.
Guess what? Those noble, free-spirited Pilgrims told their Dutch masters to kiss off, one they got over here! They were soon trading with any ship that tossed out it's anchor.
That's one of the reasons the French sided with us in our Insurrection Against the Crown - they were going to be cut off from their own wholesale buying efforts here in the Colonies if we lost...

One of the things noted about collectivism is that the leaders inevitably ended up with the best of everything - greed takes hold of them, too. It happens under Communist rule, it happened to the Mormons in Utah, it was the downfall of the American Utopianists.

People get what they want and they set themselves up when they can, regardless of the "system" in place.

You have two choices:

1. You can control people under an iron boot, preventing them from ever stepping out of line through threat of death. Trouble is you have to keep constant watch on them - and whose watching the watchers?
2. Or, you can imbue people with character and a sense of duty, then let them run their lives... since that is what they are going to do anyway. The founders of this nation were concerned with the charater of the citizen above all things - it permeates everything they did.

We started with number two, but are seeing the elements of character and duty needed to make it stick become eroded. Once that happens, we blame capitalism as wicked.

 

[Mojo Chick'n]

I think that one major problem today is that we don't feel as if we "own" our own country anymore.

Our forefathers fought to retain what they had gained - voluntarily.

Now, many folks don't even feel as if they own their own property - we are simply renting it from the government.

It's time we reclaimed our ownership of our country. Not with guns and fighting - with our voices and with our pride in what we have and what we are.

We need to stop living our lives "by your leave, M'lord"

meri

 

[silverlining]

I'm 16 years old and proud to say that I went to the first tea party held at the Denver Capitol a month or so ago, with only about a hundred other people.

I'm so excited to see how they have taken off. It is great to see that people still have the initiative to get off their butts when something big happens. Maybe we Americans still have it after all!

 

[bluey]

That's a real good question. It's beginning to look like capitalism doesn't work all that well. Capitalism comes with a whole lot of greed and that's what put us where we are today. The 2 party system doesn't work too well either. I don't think the framers of the Constitution knew that this country would have 300 some odd million people in 250 years. Nor did they take greed and corruption into account.

Do you actually think that greed and corruption sprung up in the last 200 years of humankind? Capitalism with democracy is the best system. Our great country proves that as we sit in a role (good and bad) as protectors of the world.

What our founders didn't take into account was that Americans would grow lazy and uninterested in educating themselves on the basic tenets of our Bill of Rights, the full Constitution and the Rule of Law, which is a shining beacon for all nations.

The opportunities that this country provides are limitless. There's a reason why folks around the world are literally dying to get here to live.

If you think these things need to be changed, maybe you need to go live somewhere else for awhile to gain a greater appreciation of it. I'm sure there are millions of folks who would trade you for their opportunity of the American dream.​

 

[Wifezilla]

Just look around you at your CHICKENS. What happens when you have treats? Do they share? Are your chickens GREEDY when there are crickets involved?

Capitalism allows us to go beyond the "I am the strongest hen so I get all the treats" mentality. Greed is part of our animal nature. Only capitalism allows us to transcend that and become more than self interested animals.

Theft and fraud only flourish when the police, courts and elected officials DO NOT DO THEIR JOBS. How does your police department handle fraud cases?

And you young people who GET capitalism...you give me hope for humanity. Seriously.

 

[Turtle]

Mojo Chick'n :

I think that one major problem today is that we don't feel as if we "own" our own country anymore.

Our forefathers fought to retain what they had gained - voluntarily.

Now, many folks don't even feel as if they own their own property - we are simply renting it from the government.

It's time we reclaimed our ownership of our country. Not with guns and fighting - with our voices and with our pride in what we have and what we are.

We need to stop living our lives "by your leave, M'lord"

meri

Sad thing is most people are AFRAID of their own country now. Afraid of its government and those who hold the "power". The USA has become what our for fathers fought against in the beginning .​

 

[Davaroo]

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Do you actually think that greed and corruption sprung up in the last 200 years of humankind? Capitalism with democracy is the best system. Our great country proves that as we sit in a role (good and bad) as protectors of the world.

What our founders didn't take into account was that Americans would grow lazy and uninterested in educating themselves on the basic tenets of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and Rule of Law, which is a shining beacon for all nations.

The opportunities that this country provides are limitless. There's a reason why folks around the world are literally dying to get here to live.

If you think these things need to be changed, maybe you need to go live somewhere else for awhile to gain a greater appreciation of it. I'm sure there are millions of folks who would trade you for their opportunity of the American dream.

Bluey, you never cease to amaze. Your insight is spot on.

Okay so now Im out. Im hitting the unsuscribe here after. This has gone on plenty long and I think the pertinent points are made. I'll leave the rest to you all.

Heres a final thought for youfrom oneof the greatest men who ever lived:

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery." - - Sir Winston Churchill.

 

[horsejody]

Mojo Chick'n :

I think that one major problem today is that we don't feel as if we "own" our own country anymore.

Our forefathers fought to retain what they had gained - voluntarily.

Now, many folks don't even feel as if they own their own property - we are simply renting it from the government.

It's time we reclaimed our ownership of our country. Not with guns and fighting - with our voices and with our pride in what we have and what we are.

We need to stop living our lives "by your leave, M'lord"

meri

There are too many people with no pride at all that live off the taxpayers. What are we going to do with them?​