Texas Education Funds

Nope, not at all. But that is In State politics, and DC should have no say in the matter.
That is why we have State Elections AND then have elections for Congress/Senate seats.
Two separate things altogether, and I think they should stay that way.

The vast minority, IE the 3% of School District Superintendents or the whopping 12 whole Dems, having a majority vote over these funds for the whole state is wrong. We're a Democracy, MAJORITY rules, not a monarchy where a small ruling class (that doesn't even live in the region) controls all.

I hear you on the lottery... freakin' hilarious in a state where gambling of any kind is banned no?

The stimulus fund thing... well, sorta reminds me of how sometimes I've got to juggle the bills in order to pay them all... especially if an unexpected expense (ala stupid transmission in my Ford POS) cuts my available funds... sometimes I've got to put off paying the water bill for a week in order to pay the gas bill now (avoid disco) and then next week I can pay the water and part of the electric and meantime I'm managing groceries and such for our family of four on $20/week... sometimes you gotta juggle... given how tax revenues have dropped, assistance needs have increased, and so on they had to do something. The Dems problem is that instead of raiding Texas' "rainy day fund" they used this windfall instead. Which leaves the rainy day money available in case This Year (still in a recession but no windfall to help out) we again have a budget problem. Kinda like how I'll go ahead and pay a year's worth of car insurance when we get our tax return... that's how I see it anyways.

But some don't agree, ala that teacher, and the minority Democrats. Rather than using that in a platform to encourage voters to put more like minded people in office... rather than going to the mat within Texas to change Texas Law (sort of the legislative branch's job isn't it?)... instead they ran to their cronies in Washington and wrote a bill that gives Washington control over Texas' finances. NOT COOL. Meanwhile they accuse the Reps of the whole Crony Back Scratching thing... hypocrite much?

I totally have NO problem with requiring states to spend this money on education, that money on roads, that's fine. Put THAT in the bill, and apply it to all citizens equally. You'd not hear a peep from me. But when you write rules that target only certain citizens it is wrong. When you use children as leverage to make people break the law and bend to your will, that is wrong.
 
Who's Uncle O? Is that Obama? Did he write those rules? The guy is amazing to me. Writes all that legislation and still has time to go on vacation. I need to take some tips from him.

It sounds to me like Texas needs to change that clause in their constitution if they want the federal funds. They aren't being singled out. They are not a country unto themselves. When this first started the hard headed Gov down there said he didn't want any money at all. Guess he has changed his mind and decided to use it as a rallying point against the guy in charge.

That's all I'll say since this is supposed to be a non political sight and none of us should be discussing politics on it.
 
Several attempts have been made to have that tidbit removed, but thus far it hasn't happened.

I like the clause myself. You can't purposely plan to get in over your head. It happens, revenue doesn't come in like you budgeted for... happens to families, happens to states, happens to countries. But, in Texas at least they can't purposely set the budget up to fail.

Enough bad things happen without purposely setting yourself up for them. Imagine where our country might be right now if the national budget had to be balanced... I'm fairly sure there'd be debt, pretty well guaranteed as we've had crisis wars etc, but I bet it'd be a LOT less. Borrowing and borrowing and borrowing... it's like building a house of cards... eventually a storm is gonna roll in and it's all gonna fall down.

A lot of folks are learning that right now... credit card debt, way too much house for them to actually afford, etc. Across the country SO many families are hurting because the storm hit them... businesses too, having to close down stores they just built because they over-expanded, that sort of thing... it hurts like the dickens but hopefully from here out we'll start building a sturdy foundation that our kiddos can depend on... the fact that savings have increased I take as a step in the right direction.

Wow, I just can't NOT blabber... point is I'm glad my state has that rule.


Edit... Uncle O, Uncle George, Uncle Bill... and good ol' Uncle Sam of course... I don't have any Big Brothers, but I do have quite a few (overprotective?) Uncles so that title makes more sense to me personally. Hope no one is offended but uncle just parallels my own life a little better.
 
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As this bill has been interpreted to me, it is not a Texas-specific provision, but applies to all states, that you can't cut the state contribution because of this money. It's called a maintenance of effort provision, and I have concerns about how it will be interpreted for California, which (auuuuugggghhh) has not yet been able to pass a budget for 2010-2011 because of the 2/3 requirement. So the question for California will be, cuts relative to when exactly? There's a provision for having funding at 2006-2007 levels as a safe harbor, but in actual dollars, California schools were getting more funding then than is expected for 2010-2011.
 
Ohhhh now that's an interesting tidbit they didn't bother to include in the articles isn't it?

Wonder why they had all those folks, just from Texas, spouting quotes?

Argh, I hate it when a journalist leaves out a vital tidbit!

I'ma see if I can find the actual text...

But you brought up a very good point... is there a time limit on this? IE does each state have to have those matching funds by X date? That could pose a big problem for a state like Cali that has trouble getting a budget approved by certain dates.

Off to hunt...


Started my hunt back at the article... Federal JOBS bill (not an education bill)... this funding is specifically for teacher's pay... not for books, supplies, buildings, etc... a quote from an Austin Dem...

During Tuesday's debate on the House floor, Doggett criticized "Gov. Perry and his cohorts" for misdirecting the stimulus money and said his amendment would provide "Texas-specific safeguards to prevent more such shenanigans."

Shenanigans being that if ISDs can't pay their teachers (someone's told me that thanks to unions Texas has some of the highest paid teachers in the country, I know for a fact that the union helped to totally botch DS's English class last year but that's another rant altogether) that the state will be required to use these funds to keep those teachers in their jobs... whether they actually need them there or not (ala union rules again)... that the funds can ONLY be used for JOBS is disconcerting... what if an ISD's tax income is low enough to where they can't afford the books, etc. that they need? Can these funds be used for that, or ONLY for teacher pay... I'd like to know which... but I gotta find the bugger first.
 
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Still hunting for exact text ... "education JOBS bill" dernit why don't they just list the dang bill number!

But there was another article written... http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7154856.html

"The
law requires all states to provide assurances they will maintain existing funding levels for education and not make disproportionate cuts."

So, yeah Journalist (Miami and Texas) are liar liars pants on fire... granted only (I think?) Texas has the bit that says you can't plan to spend money you don't have... that's true enough... and it was Texas Dems throwing a fit when their ideas for last year's stimulus weren't used that wrote that tidbit in KNOWING about the Texas Constitution conflict (are they TRYING to waste time and money in court or what?)... but still, they made it sounds like this was ONLY Texas... that Texas was specifically mentioned ala "All states can have this money to do what they want, but in TEXAS, they have to do this"... and that just ain't what happened. Doesn't change that Texas is still in a major bind thanks to this, that political in-state fighting has been taken to the national playground... and I'm still beyond peeved that our OWN people would do this... and that plenty from other states KNOWING it would cause these problems voted for this anyways... good grief how many 'friends in high places' do these few Texas Dems have?!?!

But moving on... ala THAT latest quote ....

Cuts... you can't cut your state education budget any more (percentage wise) than you do any other department... That sounds okay on one hand... great for the schools to have guaranteed cash for payroll while Police don't, but what happens if one area really needs saving (as they seem to be indicating Ed does now) and you are banned from juggling the budget to provide the needed funds to that one area... this makes it to where you can cut Police to feed Education, but not the other way around. I know it isn't likely that anyone will have spare change in the Ed cookie jar, but off chance that it did and the funds were badly needed elsewhere it's kinda weird that the state's cannot use them where they are vital. I thought part of the point in each state having a budget was because each state's needs vary and they need to be able to control their funds to meet them? This gives DC too much control (we're talking BILLIONS of your state's tax dollars here) being controlled by those who've never set foot in your state and have no idea of your state's needs. Texas or Tennessee doesn't matter, states have the RIGHT to provide for their own people... DC shouldn't have this power...

Particularly when after the first year STATES will be the ones raising all the funds... Fed only provides a boost The First Year... after that states are ordered to make the same amount For TWO Years... kind of a double (what we give) or (you get) nothing. That seems a little harsh, especially when everyone knows many/most? states are having budget problems right now and have no idea how good OR bad things will be this time next year OR the year after that. This gives the Fed not only control over the 1st year funds they're giving away, but also gives them control of state budgets for an additional Two Years without them putting in a dime. Seems like states are getting the short end on this one.

If anyone finds the name of this bugger, or the number... PLEASE feel free to post the text so we can try and bumble through the mess that I just bet you a least some didn't bother to read through before voting as their 'friends' told them too...


Edit... still hunting... but my "federal jobs bill, texas" google search turned up this article...

http://www.saratogian.com/articles/2010/08/11/news/doc4c620dd0a636a805357704.txt

A New York paper ... and citizen's thoughts... very interesting... even in states where this isn't a lawsuit waiting to happen there are some vocal opinions...

Another from Abilene... http://www.reporternews.com/news/2010/aug/06/area-lawmakers-scorn-bill/

Attached
to legislation reauthorizing the Federal Aviation Administration, the aid package includes an estimated $800 million to $830 million to protect teacher jobs in Texas.

Sheesh, no wonder I can't find the dang things... it's a freaking EARMARK...
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But a quoted bit from that one... wonder if this is a true bit or more fluff???


"The legislation doesn’t require the governor to violate the Texas Constitution, McCowan said. He just has to “make a good faith prediction” the state will maintain its education funding levels.

And there’s no penalty if Texas misses the mark, said McCowan, a former district judge.

“They’ll already have had the money, and they’ll already have spent it,” he said."

SOOOO... a former JUDGE is telling Perry he should just LIE (like all the other politicians do) and say "Oh sure we'll follow your rules" and then totally not do it? SHEESH is that tacky or what??
 
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So does the law specifically state Texas, or just set the stage for it to be specific to Texas based upon Texas Constitution? Also, if I understand you, all states must provide matching funds, but Texas has to provide double matching funds?
 
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After more digging...

The whole thing (can't say bill since this was just tacked onto an FAA thing) according to Dems, is applicable to all states... Texas has the complication of not being allowed to spend what we don't have, the folks up there knew that and did it anyways... that's annoying to me and to the Reps in Texas as well. Why purposely set up a drama? Especially one that could end up wasting court time and (taypayer) money?

I'm not sure about what that Judge advised... but if there are no consequences for not coming through then what was the point in ordering states to do so? Again, causing drama for no reason... why? Why scare teachers, principals, supers, etc? Why have voters worrying over whether their kids will have a book for science this year? Why not just flat out say "We put all this in there but if a state doesn't want to do it they still get their cash with no negative results"... I loathe scare tactics... that's the kind of crap abusers use to keep their victims in line... elected people, people who's salary we're paying should NOT be doing that to us!!

As to the double or nothing... well the nothing is obvious... the double part is the fact that Texas (all states???) will get X dollars from DC for the first year... then they must match X out of their own pockets for the next TWO... we pay two, they pay one... double.

I THINK that string applies to all states, it's just Texas has a conflict, but it's hard finding a straight answer since I can't find a copy of that dang bill... and given what happened with Health, Defense (1720 earmarks including $5 MILLION check to the Kennedy family) I doubt that even if I do find the darn FAA thing that I'll be able to wade through and find the tiny tidbit that is causing all this trouble.

But, yeah if they're right that this is ALL STATES... the only difference is how much each gets. Not sure how they're calculating that. Is it just a general head count? Or do they actually add up which states are about to have to lay off teachers, how many, their salaries, thus how much they need? I doubt it... seeing as how they're planning to send $800-830 million... specifically tagged ONLY to save TEACHER jobs to Texas... and last number I saw was 14000 Texas teacher jobs on the line... that's $57k and change per job... state min for teacher pay is not quite $30k I think (about what DH makes working 60 hrs, 20OT per week)... here 1st year teachers (bachelors) start at $44k... having a Masters adds another $1500/yr... *

So... either there are a LOT of extremely expensive teachers in Texas... a LOT... enough to raise the average to $57k... when you take in the poorer districts... and the state minimum... our ISD seems to be right between that average and the min. So... yeah... that seems awful high for 14000 jobs... and I know my state isn't in massive debt so it's not that... so I'm leaning more towards it being based on a general head count of students/schools...


*AISD actually posts that info online so prospective employees AND the taxpayers can see it at any time... I think that's pretty neat myself.
 
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After more digging...

The whole thing (can't say bill since this was just tacked onto an FAA thing) according to Dems, is applicable to all states... Texas has the complication of not being allowed to spend what we don't have, the folks up there knew that and did it anyways... that's annoying to me and to the Reps in Texas as well.


No state is allowed to deficit spend. All states must balance their budgets annually. Some do it with more accounting gimmicks than others. This is not unique to Texas. However, Texas was on their mind, perhaps because they were especially worried that the state would not follow the intent to hire _additional_ teachers which is the point of the money.

I'm not sure about what that Judge advised... but if there are no consequences for not coming through then what was the point in ordering states to do so? Again, causing drama for no reason... why? Why scare teachers, principals, supers, etc? Why have voters worrying over whether their kids will have a book for science this year? Why not just flat out say "We put all this in there but if a state doesn't want to do it they still get their cash with no negative results"... I loathe scare tactics... that's the kind of crap abusers use to keep their victims in line... elected people, people who's salary we're paying should NOT be doing that to us!!

As to the double or nothing... well the nothing is obvious... the double part is the fact that Texas (all states???) will get X dollars from DC for the first year... then they must match X out of their own pockets for the next TWO... we pay two, they pay one... double.

I THINK that string applies to all states, it's just Texas has a conflict, but it's hard finding a straight answer since I can't find a copy of that dang bill... and given what happened with Health, Defense (1720 earmarks including $5 MILLION check to the Kennedy family) I doubt that even if I do find the darn FAA thing that I'll be able to wade through and find the tiny tidbit that is causing all this trouble.

Bill data: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:1:./temp/~bdElqx::|/home/LegislativeData.php|

This
is the amendment you want (S.AMDT.4575 ):
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/R?r111:FLD001:S56588
This is the original text of that amendment:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r111:1:./temp/~r111Go8ht1:e11858:

(10) MAINTENANCE OF EFFORT.--

(A) Except as provided in paragraph (8), the Secretary shall not allocate funds to a State under paragraph (1) unless the Governor of the State provides an assurance to the Secretary that--

(i) for State fiscal year 2011, the State will maintain State support for elementary and secondary education (in the aggregate or on the basis of expenditures per pupil) and for public institutions of higher education (not including support for capital projects or for research and development or tuition and fees paid by students) at not less than the level of such support for each of the two categories, respectively, for State fiscal year 2009;

(ii) for State fiscal year 2011, the State will maintain State support for elementary and secondary education and for public institutions of higher education (not including support for capital projects or for research and development or tuition and fees paid by students) at a percentage of the total revenues available to the State that is equal to or greater than the percentage provided for each of the two categories, respectively, for State fiscal year 2010; or

(iii) in the case of a State in which State tax collections for calendar year 2009 were less than State tax collections for calendar year 2006, for State fiscal year 2011 the State will maintain State support for elementary and secondary education (in the aggregate) and for public institutions of higher education (not including support for capital projects or for research and development or tuition and fees paid by students)--

(I) at not less than the level of such support for each of the two categories, respectively, for State fiscal year 2006; or

(II) at a percentage of the total revenues available to the State that is equal to or greater than the percentage provided for each of the two categories, respectively, for State fiscal year 2006.

(B) Section 14005(d)(1) and subsections (a) through (c) of section 14012 of division A of Public Law 111-5 shall not apply to funds appropriated under this heading.

... with specific provisions for Texas:
(B) The Secretary shall not allocate funds to the State of Texas under paragraph (1) unless the Governor of the State provides an assurance to the Secretary that the State will for fiscal years 2011, 2012, and 2013 maintain State support for elementary and secondary education at a percentage of the total revenues available to the State that is equal to or greater than the percentage provided for such purpose for fiscal year 2011 prior to the enactment of this Act.

(C) Notwithstanding paragraph (8), no distribution shall be made to the State of Texas or local education agencies therein unless the Governor of Texas makes an assurance to the Secretary that the requirements in paragraphs (11)(A) and (11)(B) will be met, notwithstanding the lack of an application from the Governor of Texas.

So you were right, only Texas has to send a note from the Governor to get the funds. (On the other hand, since that same Governor likes to talk about secession, maybe he doesn't want the funds anyway... ) But that said, I don't find the requirement of pledging to maintain either the same amount or the same percentage, whichever is lesser, to be especially onerous to get a big chunk of federal change. The requirement is only for the letter, as I read it. Perry may not even be governor in 2013.

But, yeah if they're right that this is ALL STATES... the only difference is how much each gets. Not sure how they're calculating that. Is it just a general head count? Or do they actually add up which states are about to have to lay off teachers, how many, their salaries, thus how much they need? I doubt it... seeing as how they're planning to send $800-830 million... specifically tagged ONLY to save TEACHER jobs to Texas... and last number I saw was 14000 Texas teacher jobs on the line... that's $57k and change per job... state min for teacher pay is not quite $30k I think (about what DH makes working 60 hrs, 20OT per week)... here 1st year teachers (bachelors) start at $44k... having a Masters adds another $1500/yr... *


So... either there are a LOT of extremely expensive teachers in Texas... a LOT... enough to raise the average to $57k... when you take in the poorer districts... and the state minimum... our ISD seems to be right between that average and the min. So... yeah... that seems awful high for 14000 jobs... and I know my state isn't in massive debt so it's not that... so I'm leaning more towards it being based on a general head count of students/schools...​

I think it's head count for getting it to states. Once it gets to the state, the money may be allocated by head count or by Title 1 eligibility (Title 1 is for low income schools/students.)

The amount needed to hire a teacher isn't just the salary, but the employment taxes, health insurance, disability payments, and other benefits. Typically in private industry, we budget 30% on top of the salary for those overhead costs.​
 

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