The Aloha Chicken Project

I thought the same, as I have a few cream legbars from greenfire farms...and olive eggs, like isbars would be neat!! as for the yellow legs and beautiful combs I totally agree.
I would LOVE if Alohas were to lay blue eggs, but it's going to be a huge challenge to introduce that gene without adding a bunch of stuff that we don't want.

Here's my early experiments. I did cross an awesome Blue Wheaten Ameraucana with my "foundation" 1/2 Aloha, 1/4 Speckled Sussex, 1/4 Exchequer rooster, Vanilla. This hen was a super layer of huge, sky blue eggs. Very large bodied and extremely productive, good layer in all weather. Overall, the kind of genes you'd want in a new breed.

Her baby was solid blue, from the Blue Wheaten mom. The solid is because of course she carried for spots, but it doesn't show the first generation. Baby had chipmunk cheeks, slate legs, and a funky comb. Much improved size, laid pale blue eggs, and was bred to a pure private breeder, high quality Speckled Sussex rooster. The result was two gorgeous hens that were blue and white with lovely bold mottling.

Unfortunately, that's when the great whatever-it-was (mold I think) hit the flock, and killed almost all the Alohas. I gathered every egg I could find before all the hens died, and hatched a new batch of chicks from those. But, the two blue-mottled hens were lost. One made it for quite a while, however, and I was able to hatch her chicks. She had a lovely daughter that I gave to Raymond, and a very spotty, puffy-cheeked rooster chick from that hen, was hatched by the Kansas crew. Deerfield crossed him with some of her hens, and she may have a few of the descendants.

Anyway, by the time we got rid of the pea comb. slate legs, and puffy cheeks, all traces of the blue egg color were also lost!

Our best bet was the University of Arkansas project that had production-style brown leghorns that laid blue eggs. I was not able to get eggs, as they were only giving them to 4H kids in the area. I was hoping to buy some eggs or chicks from a 4-H'er, but I do not know what happened to that flock? Some breeders are working on the blue-colored blue egg layers, but we need the BROWN LEGHORN line that laid blue eggs. If ANYONE on here wants to pursue that, PLEASE feel free!!!! The Brown Leghorn would be pretty much our only chance to keep the blue egg gene strong enough, as we would only need to add spots and a little body heft. Leghorns already have upright combs, fan tails, yellow legs. You could keep the Blue-Egg Laying Brown Leghorn bloodline at 50% to 75% and still add spots.

Cream Legbars have the right body shape, pretty much, and yellow legs. However, they are dominant (100%) for Barring, so you'd have to remove the Dominant Barring gene while introducing the Recessive Mottled gene. Not an easy task!

A good way would be to (for example) take a Mille Swedish hen (light color, yellow legs, mottling, upright comb, all good) and cross her to a Legbar roo. The chicks would all be barred. None would have any spots. They would basically look like bigger Cream Legbars. They could not be bred back to each other, as that would result in more 100% Barred babies. So, you would need to outcross to something "not barred."

Let's say you kept the hen-chicks from this first cross, and bred them to a nice spotty show quality Speckled Sussex. The result would be chicks that would be half barred, half not-barred. Half would have spots, half would not. You'd want to keep the chicks with no barring and +spots. Most would have pink legs thanks to Mr.Sussex, as the yellow leg gene is recessive.

Now you have 25% Cream Legbar and 75% "something else" chicks. They would be big and impressive in this scenario, bigger than Legbars and overall, good chickens at least. But there is still a lot of work to be done, because the Legbar (and the blue egg color) has now become diluted down. By this point, any trace of blue or olive will have greatly faded.

But, let's say you bred them back to your first cross rooster - the 1/2 Cream Legbar, 1/2 Mille Swedish. This final cross should result in chicks that are (again!) half Barred, half not-barred, and half spotted, and half not-spotted. Some with yellow legs, some with pink legs. SO, a tiny fraction (I think statistically maybe 20% or about 2 of 10 chicks hatched) would have no barring, plus spots, plus yellow legs. Hopefully these would have an increased amount of blue-egg genes. The total percentage of Cream Legbar by this generation would be about 37.5% if my math is correct? These may have enough blue egg genes to keep the color, but of course, the issue would be how do you expand the gene pool in the future? You'd need others working with Cream Legbars with Alohas to keep the influx of blue egg genes coming in.

So, my thought is that FIRST we try to get our Alohas looking good. Then, we could work together to introduce the Blue Egg gene.

However, if someone found the U of A blue-egg-laying-brown-Leghorns, here is how that would work:

Take a few of the blue-egg-brown-leghorn hens. Add a nice big spotty Aloha or Sussex rooster. Hatch chicks. Cross the chicks together. Keep the ones with spots. DONE!

So, so much easier! Which is why I was so sad that they disbanded the blue-egg-laying-brown-Leghorn project before I had a chance to get any! *sigh*
 
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Sequim's a good 3 hours from me, over the mountain passes. Not so easy in the winter. I'm on the 'dry' side of the state! I will be going over right around Christmas to spend the holidays with friends-who-should-be-family, but frankly I don't have a good safe place to brood the little dickens in this weather once they're hatched! Oh, for a broody!

As far as where the Sussex came from, I don't know for certain. I got these hens 2nd hand but their original owner said she got them from someone at the county fair who was showing Buffs because they were off color.

(ie, I believe they hatched as sports from a Speckled breeding program, but I just don't know. I got the chickens after the county fair this year...I fully intend to haunt the chicken barn next year...)
 
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There were two flocks at University of Arkansas that laid blue eggs. One flock (and the one everyone got excited about) were blue (gray) chickens that laid blue eggs. I guess folks liked the idea of "blue and blue" chickens.

The other flock was a flock of brown chickens that laid blue eggs. They looked like Production Reds, but laid colored eggs.

I do know several people got the blue (gray) chickens that laid blue eggs, and were trying to continue the project in private breeder homes, but I did not hear of anyone who got the brown chickens that laid blue eggs. (They were two totally separate flocks.) I can't tell from the post which flock she has??? Let me know if you find out the brown ones are out there! (With so much going on with the "regular" Aloha goals, I haven't had time or room to start a new project on top of this one.)
 
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(ie, I believe they hatched as sports from a Speckled breeding program, but I just don't know. I got the chickens after the county fair this year...I fully intend to haunt the chicken barn next year...)
I just found out that this was possible, last year! Totally blew my mind. There is a BYC'er on here, who was trying to improve size and type on his Speckled Sussex flock, by crossing Light Sussex (who are REALLY HUGE and white with black neck feathers) with Speckled Sussex (which tend to be kind of small for Sussex.)

Anyway, he got some that were Buff, when he crossed the half-Silver half-Speckled chicks together! And, some that were Buff Mottled! He was really helpful when I emailed him, and has described on here how he did it. It took a LOT of hatching. He had to work for a year, hatch the parents, cross those together, and then hatch out about 100 chicks to get just two Buff Mottled hens. He plans on carrying on the project and having a line of Mille Sussex.

He was only trying to improve type and size on his Speckled. The Mille Sussex were basically, a happy accident!

Those would work even better with the Aloha program than regular Speckled Sussex because it's basically the same as Speckled, but he took out the Mahogany gene that turns the feathers that really dark brown. That dark brown gene is VERY tough to breed out! I hope to get some of his chicks or eggs down the line to help "freshen up" the Aloha genes, as that would not take away any of the Aloha colors. (Though we would have to add the yellow legs back in. Sussex have pink legs.) Still, they would be a pretty nice outcross for expanding the gene pool without adding anything really negative. (No funky combs, fuzzy feet, barring, etc, that we don't want.)

Please go forward and cross your Buffs with some nice Sussex, as soon as possible! In fact, if you can find a spare nice quality Sussex rooster, sooner the better. Maybe some of the breeders that exhibited at the fair might have a spare roo? Any show breeder is sure to be raising half roos and half hen chicks. LOL!

You'd be looking for a "cull" Sussex anyway. The ideal Sussex rooster would have more white than the recommended amount that Sussex breeders want to see. They want "moderate" white neatly placed on the chicken in a tidy pattern. We want CRAZY white spotting all over! LOL.



This is a pure Sussex rooster from Garry Farms eggs. He was a local Craigslist find but unfortunately did not survive the heat this summer. But this is a good look for a Sussex rooster, if you can find one with this much white!

BELOW, however, is more of a "show quality" Sussex rooster. He did not have enough white for my Aloha program, but I did use him early on because of his size. He was hatched from private breeder eggs, and was an extra that my friend got, when she had some Sussex eggs shipped, hatched them, and ended up with two many roosters. Anyway, a "normal" Sussex breeder would have loved this roo, but for the Aloha program, we are looking for more like the Garry Farms roo shown above.



Anyway . . . Sussex breeders don't want a ton of white, but we want all the white we can get! Plan accordingly. LOL.
 
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Please go forward and cross your Buffs with some nice Sussex, as soon as possible! In fact, if you can find a spare nice quality Sussex rooster, sooner the better. Maybe some of the breeders that exhibited at the fair might have a spare roo? Any show breeder is sure to be raising half roos and half hen chicks. LOL!

You'd be looking for a "cull" Sussex anyway. The ideal Sussex rooster would have more white than the recommended amount that Sussex breeders want to see. They want "moderate" white neatly placed on the chicken in a tidy pattern. We want CRAZY white spotting all over! LOL.
Oh I already have my SS breeder picked out -- he lives about 30 minutes from me and knows his birds well. I am really hoping he has a 'sport' Sussex roo in the batch that I can talk him out of, but if not, I'll have to settle for 'garden variety' SSs! Oh darn. He's also got Icelandics, which are a nice hearty winter breed, which I could really use right now since all my girls have 'shut down' for the winter. We should totally tag team the guy with the Mille Sussex though, and see if we can get some hatching eggs. Even if they're red to begin with, if they've got a buff parent they're gonna be split for buff!

My only concern with breeding my buffs is that they're coming 3. I know that's 'getting on in years' for chooks and I understand that the hatch quality goes down considerably at that age. Right NOW I do not have the resources to build a brooding pen...and I am NOT raising chickens in my house! It's not big enough as is! LOL!
 
My only concern with breeding my buffs is that they're coming 3. I know that's 'getting on in years' for chooks and I understand that the hatch quality goes down considerably at that age. Right NOW I do not have the resources to build a brooding pen...and I am NOT raising chickens in my house! It's not big enough as is! LOL!
Try to get creative with the brooder pen. I am, quite frankly, poor. (Starving artist - surprise!) I seriously need to build new "real" coops, but since we didn't have the resources for that, I've cobbled together whatever I could find that would work.

Example, my newborn chicks first go into an old low-sided stock tank that I got for free, because it no longer held water, and had rusted through. That's where I keep baby chicks on my patio. When they reach about 3 weeks, then they go in a big 3-hole rabbit hutch that my boyfriend bought me years ago. I cut holes in the wire between the space to open up the cage, and now I have one large 2 x 6 foot covered "chick grower" of sorts. That works until they get to about six weeks.

Then, since we have really mild temps here and can actually do this, LOL, I posted on Craigslist locally asking for doggie playpens. I posted that I was looking for something like this:

http://www.petco.com/product/122186...et-_-2175656&gclid=CLv9ybmM9roCFShyQgodbiUAZA

And, I stated in the CL ad that I could only pay $30 or so each. I found someone who raised one litter of big puppies, and bought two pens, and she had them sitting in her garage! She agreed on $65 for the pair. So I form those into a moveable pen that's about maybe 5 x 5 foot on the ground. I cover it with an $8 tarp from Wal-Mart. (It collects rainwater but remember it's the desert here, and it it rains maybe 10 days a year, so we can get away with it.) I prop some old plywood against one side to shade the sun.

By shuffling through the three "zones" (newborn brooder, older chick brooder, and oldest chick grow-out pen) I found that I could raise batches of 25-35 chicks at a time, so long as I culled down to about half that by the time I got to the last staging area. I found if I space the hatches 3 weeks apart I could keep cycling constantly for as long as the weather was OK, which for us in AZ means from October-May. (We shut down in June-September as it gets so hot, the hens barely lay and the chicks are in constant danger of overheating.)

So, that's how I have been able to raise as many as 150-200 chicks per year, on a shoestring budget, in order to pick out one in ten of the "gems" that I need to make a final coop of maybe 20 new adult chickens per year! I had to hatch like crazy early on. It really was like only 1 in 10 that would work. Now the "keepers" are easier to find, because I did so much hard work early on. So now maybe 1 in 4 is a keeper. I've been raising a lot fewer the last two years.

But yeah, if I had UNLIMITED resources, I'd love to raise even more! (It does come down to just having enough coops or space to grow out that many.)

Yes, it DOES look horrible in my yard. Oh well, until I can afford to build a "real" chick coop . . . it has to do. I am hindered by the fact that I need about $1000, probably, in materials to upgrade the area, as I'd like to have at least a 4 breeder pens coop, and a nice chick grow-out coop with at least two areas for younger and older chicks, so I could always be raising replacements.

I already have a spot all picked out for the new coops, and a boyfriend willing to build it. Yet every month when I'm scraping just to pay the monthly bills, I haven't been able to afford the supplies that it will take to get it done right!

In the meantime, I hunt Craigslist, and I have found that chain link dog kennels work in a pinch. LOL. Most of my breeder pens have been those. (Again, it's the desert here, so keeping animals warm and dry is rarely an issue. Our big issue is keeping them in shade!)

Looks horrible, but if you're poor, you do what you can to make it work, and that's OK! I'm really proud that I've been able to get this far and it has been all about dedication to the project, not about how much money I could throw at it. :)
 
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