The "Ask Anything" to Nicalandia Thread

[kurby22]

Probably with the blue gene. It dilutes black to a gray color, and affects all black on the chicken.

So a chicken that would be all-black can become all blue (gray). But a chicken that would have a black tail, or black lacing, or black spangling, or a black breast, can have those areas turned blue, like in the case of your hen.



At the present time, I think most EEs are not direct crosses of Ameraucana with anything else. They typically share ancestry with Ameraucanas, and have many traits in common, but are just bred to each other.

She probably did not get the coloring from any purebred parent, just from whatever genes were available in a flock of many-colored Easter Eggers.



I would expect a bunch of mostly-black chicks, and a bunch of mostly-blue chicks, about half each way. All of the chicks would have a chance of showing bits of gold, or bits of silver (white), as they grow up. All of the chicks would carry the lavender gene ("self blue"), but would not show it.

The "black" chicks are what normally occur when a black or lavender (self blue) chicken is bred to another color. Your hen will pass the blue gene to half of her chicks, and the gene for not-blue to the other half of them. This is why half will be blue and half will be black.

Thanks! This was very helpful! It’s what I figured but wanted confirmation from ones that know more than I do It’s a bummer I can’t replicate her coloring…she’s so pretty

 

[FeatheredFriends&Horses2]

So, I have this goofy looking young cockerel and I know for certain his father is a lavender Orpington. I’d like to try and figure out the mother though. I know it has to be a hen with the barring gene, and I do have barred rocks, but this guy has muffs! So part of me thinks that perhaps he came from one of my Easter eggers (pictured below). Or maybe none of the above! If you could give your thoughts, I’d appreciate it!

 

[NatJ]

Thanks! This was very helpful! It’s what I figured but wanted confirmation from ones that know more than I do It’s a bummer I can’t replicate her coloring…she’s so pretty

To replicate her coloring, you would probably need a different rooster.

If you have to start with the current rooster, you can raise a son of theirs, and then breed that son back to her-- hatching enough chicks should give at least a few that match her coloring (so her son is the "different rooster" you need.)

 

[NatJ]

I have this goofy looking young cockerel and I know for certain his father is a lavender Orpington.

How certain are you about his father? Because from the hens you have listed, I would think it more likely that some other rooster is the father.

I’d like to try and figure out the mother though. I know it has to be a hen with the barring gene, and I do have barred rocks, but this guy has muffs! So part of me thinks that perhaps he came from one of my Easter eggers (pictured below). Or maybe none of the above!

I agree that muffs require a parent with muffs, and barring requires a parent with barring. So a hen with muffs and barring would be the obvious choice as a mother. Maybe a hen with white barring on a non-black background?

There are some chickens that can have a striped appearance without the barring gene (examples: Silver Campine, Silver Penciled Hamburg). But with a Lavender Orpington father, I would not expect any offspring to have horizontal penciling either.

Do you have a picture of your rooster? Usually a "lavender" chicken is genetically the same as a black chicken, except for having the lavender gene. But there are some other varieties that have the lavender gene and also have white barring. Such a rooster, crossed to an Easter Egger, might produce a chick like your cockerel.

(I'm just kind of thinking this through as I go, so I might have missed something obvious.)

 

[FeatheredFriends&Horses2]

How certain are you about his father? Because from the hens you have listed, I would think it more likely that some other rooster is the father.


I agree that muffs require a parent with muffs, and barring requires a parent with barring. So a hen with muffs and barring would be the obvious choice as a mother. Maybe a hen with white barring on a non-black background?

There are some chickens that can have a striped appearance without the barring gene (examples: Silver Campine, Silver Penciled Hamburg). But with a Lavender Orpington father, I would not expect any offspring to have horizontal penciling either.

Do you have a picture of your rooster? Usually a "lavender" chicken is genetically the same as a black chicken, except for having the lavender gene. But there are some other varieties that have the lavender gene and also have white barring. Such a rooster, crossed to an Easter Egger, might produce a chick like your cockerel.

(I'm just kind of thinking this through as I go, so I might have missed something obvious.)

I have no other roosters, so yes, that’s his father. I’ve attached a picture of him. I’m thinking maybe one of my Easter eggers perhaps has very light barring, but I’m just not sure.

 

[NatJ]

I have no other roosters, so yes, that’s his father.

And if you did not have any other roosters in the month before that egg was laid, then I agree your currnet rooster must be the father.

I’ve attached a picture of him. I’m thinking maybe one of my Easter eggers perhaps has very light barring, but I’m just not sure.

Hmm, that's a puzzler all right. Yes, maybe one of the Easter Eggers has the barring.
Lavender is light enough that it's really hard for me to see if there is any kind of patterning on the feathers of the rooster, so I can't say for sure.

Hello @nicalandia
Any ideas? I'm stuck. This question has two posts so far:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...calandia-thread.1509343/page-31#post-25546108

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...calandia-thread.1509343/page-31#post-25546555

 

[Cattle dog Mom]

If a cream spangled Brabanter is crossed on a black (true) Ameraucana, would the offspring just be black? And what if the female offspring are then crossed back on the Brabanter rooster?

 

[NatJ]

If a cream spangled Brabanter is crossed on a black (true) Ameraucana, would the offspring just be black?

Cream spangled has black spangles on cream, right?
Yes, I think you would get black chicks, although they may show some bits of other colors when they grow up.

And what if the female offspring are then crossed back on the Brabanter rooster?

You should get about 50% black birds, and 50% other colored birds. The "other colored" ones will probably look sort-of like the Brabanter spangled pattern, but it is likely to be poor-quality spangling and to vary from one bird to another. There's a chance it could even look like some other pattern (such as bad lacing or bad penciling.)

 

[Cattle dog Mom]

Cream spangled has black spangles on cream, right?
Yes, I think you would get black chicks, although they may show some bits of other colors when they grow up.


You should get about 50% black birds, and 50% other colored birds. The "other colored" ones will probably look sort-of like the Brabanter spangled pattern, but it is likely to be poor-quality spangling and to vary from one bird to another. There's a chance it could even look like some other pattern (such as bad lacing or bad penciling.)

Correct. Cream with black spangles. What about a brabanter crossed on wheaten Ameraucanas?

 

[Zawisty]

hi Sir Nicalandia
when i use chicken calculator ,, dorking rooster or any silver ( e, eb or ewh ) over rir hen , the offsprings would be silver Columbian (males are S/s)
is that ture ?