The "Ask Anything" to Nicalandia Thread

[phasianidae]

I have this same thing occurring in my flock of red bantam cochin/silkie crosses, if its alright to chime in. I’ve never seen it mature to anything more than just a dark gray beak, and the rest of the skin remains light, but that being said I currently only have one adult with the trait. I assumed it was a conjoined affect of the e-allele(my birds are at least partially wheaten based, which I've heard inhibits fibromelanism) and them, for the most part, carrying Id.View attachment 3501192
This is my one adult hen. Her beak is a dark gray, and has been since I purchased her. Aside from that, she shows no signs of fibromelanism, even in in the face.View attachment 3501194
This, above, is a pullet I bred off of the hen, and she showed the trait somewhat. I sold her.View attachment 3501193
I also have this chick, who you can see the black beak and light shanks on. This is an outdated photo(by a month), but I can grab a new one tomorrow to see if the chick still shows the same difference in beak to leg color, or what it’s skin color is.

Was that the first chick you got with this trait? I’m quite curious to see how it behaves in another person‘s flock, which is why I’m curious. Not trying to be overbearing or anything.

Thanks for sharing the pictures! I never thought of wheaten being the cause of it but that might make sense. This chick looks more partridge but maybe recessive wheaten is in there too? I have worked with e+ and eb a lot but have very little experience with wheaten.

I have a lot of other dark skin chickens and have never seen the light dark contrast in them, this chick comes from a separate group where I crossed a Swedish Dwarf in to get the mottling gene. This chicks parents are full siblings from a Dwarf rooster with a dark skin hen. I never realized that the chicks mother had dark skin until the dark chicks started to hatch and I looked at her closer.

 

[MysteryChicken]

Why, though? I just have to ask this of someone because these AI fake animals are all over my fb lately. I don't understand the appeal of pretend versions of real animals when the real deal is also beautiful. If it were a creature that doesn't exist at all, I could totally understand, like dragons. Or if it was meant as a goal sketch of something one meant to breed and it was genetically possible.

Currently thousands of people are sharing this super fake "peacock baby" (lol ) and I'm still trying to explain to my older friends that it's not real and that's why they "didn't know they were so gorgeous!". Then they feel bad

Just wanted to share mostly. Other then possible patterns that maybe produced by the pied gene, in chickens. Which would be highly variable.

 

[pipdzipdnreadytogo]

Why, though? I just have to ask this of someone because these AI fake animals are all over my fb lately. I don't understand the appeal of pretend versions of real animals when the real deal is also beautiful. If it were a creature that doesn't exist at all, I could totally understand, like dragons. Or if it was meant as a goal sketch of something one meant to breed and it was genetically possible.

Currently thousands of people are sharing this super fake "peacock baby" (lol ) and I'm still trying to explain to my older friends that it's not real and that's why they "didn't know they were so gorgeous!". Then they feel bad

I have to agree, though a large part of my dislike of AI generated 'art' is the fact that 99% of it is like nightmare fuel if you really look at it. Like the feet of those birds in the 'art' posted... or their faces... Disturbing.

There are also a lot of negative implications with AI 'art' and how it impacts real artists and writers, but that's much deeper of a topic than I want to delve into right now, much less in this thread where it really doesn't belong. Suffice it to say, I am not a fan.

Here's an odd chick that hatched the other day

I missed this when it was posted initially. I had a chick hatch a few years back who similarly had a dark beak and light shanks. He was a skin color sexlink cross between a Silkie rooster and a Cochin hen. He got my hopes up for a pullet with that dark beak when he hatched, but alas, his light shanks told a different story.

 

[MysteryChicken]

I have to agree, though a large part of my dislike of AI generated 'art' is the fact that 99% of it is like nightmare fuel if you really look at it. Like the feet of those birds in the 'art' posted... or their faces... Disturbing.

There are also a lot of negative implications with AI 'art' and how it impacts real artists and writers, but that's much deeper of a topic than I want to delve into right now, much less in this thread where it really doesn't belong. Suffice it to say, I am not a fan.





I missed this when it was posted initially. I had a chick hatch a few years back who similarly had a dark beak and light shanks. He was a skin color sexlink cross between a Silkie rooster and a Cochin hen. He got my hopes up for a pullet with that dark beak when he hatched, but alas, his light shanks told a different story.

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I explained why I did it. Just seemed like a good way to get a visual .
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[pipdzipdnreadytogo]

I saw, I just wanted to say my piece as well.

 

[MysteryChicken]

I saw, I just wanted to say my piece as well.

Oh, okay.

 

[nicalandia]

I explained why I did it. Just seemed like a good way to get a visual .
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I appreciate you sharing your thought process

 

[MysteryChicken]

I have this chick that's Gold Sebright hen X Red JungleFowl Cockerel, that's feathering out Gold Transverse Pencilled. Does that mean Sire carries a pattern gene too?

 

[NatJ]

I have this chick that's Gold Sebright hen X Red JungleFowl Cockerel, that's feathering out Gold Transverse Pencilled. Does that mean Sire carries a pattern gene too?

First chick feathers do not always match the later feathers.

I find the pattern gene listed as dominant in this listing of genes:
http://www.sellers.kippenjungle.nl/page3.html

And the chicken genetics calculator treats it as either dominant or incompletely dominant, definitely not recessive.

So I think you could get that effect regardless of whether the sire (Red Jungle Fowl) has the pattern gene or not.

 

[MysteryChicken]

First chick feathers do not always match the later feathers.

I find the pattern gene listed as dominant in this listing of genes:
http://www.sellers.kippenjungle.nl/page3.html

And the chicken genetics calculator treats it as either dominant or incompletely dominant, definitely not recessive.

So I think you could get that effect regardless of whether the sire (Red Jungle Fowl) has the pattern gene or not.

I know juvenile plumage often looks different, but it's obviously stripped on the breasts like a transverse Pencilled bird would be.

Never said it was recessive, just thought both parents would need it for full effect. It's not something I have much experience with.