The Honey Factory

You do not need to deep clean dead out hives. Little mold and what not is all cleaned up by the bees. I cringe when people tell me they scrap clean all the drawn wax because of a mold. It's a shame. People also will take hours or days cleaning up a dead out and I scratch my head about that. I will dismantle a dead out, using hive tool scrape the bottom boards, pull frames with dead bees and scrape most of them off, if heavy mold scrape the top layer and hold back really bad frames to have bees clean up when adding a second box. Once the population is larger they will clean up those frames quick. It's a twenty minute job including installing the new bees. If you are in the North the freezing temps kill greater wax moth eggs. Lesser wax moths are hardier. Scrape the webbing off and let the bees clean up the rest. Bees are amazing anti microbial cleaning machines if you don't overwhelm them with the chore as a small population.
I agree with you about the abilities of our little winged helpers. I treated the inside of the hive boxes with a wire brush and they don't look as bad as before but, being harmed by mold myself (copd), i would feel better if i can give that mold the bleach treatment. 😜
Some of those frames are really old and in dire need of repairs - or retirement.
As said no obvious sign of parasites, but i will sterilize all the reusable equipment with cold and CO2.
 
What was your mite count at the end of July?

The temperature went up to 54F today so I popped open a few hives and things are looking good. Swarm prevention may come early this year. Bees still have a lot of stores left so I'll probably have to extract some frames to make room for brood. If you look at the upper left hand corner I put the year on each frame. I try and cull frames that are 5 years or older in the spring.

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I did a sugar test in September (when it is still hot here) and had around 3.5 mites per 100 bees, so the hive got a powdered sugar treatment which resulted in a lot of angry bees and maybe ~100 dead mites. Examining the dead hive, i found no signs of hive-beetles, wax moths or mites.
 
Love your answer! - So there was no sign of wax-moths, hive beetles or varroa in that hive. I examined used a magnifying glass and found no dead mites at all, not on the bees, neither on the base board. I had treated the hive with powdered sugar last fall - which at first they hated! But they loved the syrup that i cooked from all that sugar to kill the mites.
I was able to salvage three mold free frames with honey and pollen which i will keep in a box, filled with carbon-dioxide in a cold place (my root-cellar) to sterilize everything. Fortunately i had already ordered a pound of bees with a queen in December to expand my honey production, so those bees will benefit from these frames now. Trying to secure another starter hive, but it might be too late…
As for building my own equipment, already had discussions with @R2elk about this. I am waiting for one of those 25% off coupons from Harbor-Freight which i will use to buy their best table-saw. My Garage workshop is almost ready and i will start to build my own boxes. I don't like the woodware you can buy in stores. These "hives" are not made for bees, they're made for commercial bee-keepers who need to be able to stack dozens of those on pallets and load them onto trucks with fork-lifts… (Sorry, ranting again...)
How do you make those sugar-bricks? - Feeding Syrup is such a messy procedure...
Here is one recipe for 5 LB sugar brick. I double it to take up the whole feeder shim and only use them in late winter if the bees are getting too close to using up their own stores. Lot's of how to make feeder shim video on you tube
5 LBS granulated white sugar
1/2 cup warm water
1/2 teaspoon of white distilled vinegar (mold inhibitor)
1 drop Lemon Grass Oil (optional Just an attractant)
1 teaspoon Tea Tree Oil (hedge against Nosema)
I mix everything but the sugar together which is in a 5 gallon dedicated bucket. I mix all with a paint paddle attached to a drill to consistency of damp beach sand (2-3 minutes) . Pack firmly in a 9x13x2" deep baking pan. Let stand anywhere from 24hrs to whenever you feel like taking it out of the pan. The 2 oils are food grade from LorAnn Oils.
 
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I did a sugar test in September (when it is still hot here) and had around 3.5 mites per 100 bees, so the hive got a powdered sugar treatment which resulted in a lot of angry bees and maybe ~100 dead mites. Examining the dead hive, i found no signs of hive-beetles, wax moths or mites.
So you had a little over 3% infestation in September, thats too many mites too late in the year. In late July you want no more than 6 mites per 300 bees or 2% infestation. Powdered sugar does nothing for the treatment of mites. You may have knocked a few phoretic mites off the bees but killed no mites under the cappings where they all are. Its not what we can see that kills bees its what we CANT see that kills them. Viruses vectored by mites kills them. No amount of feeding recipes, wrapping, insulating, cleaning of equipment will save them. Healthy, low mite colonies thrive under extreme conditions. I didnt even bother to wrap my hives this year.
 
I do not recommend powder sugar for treatment. It does kill bees and is not that effective. Wood bleach, Oxalic acid, is an effective treatment in late season when little brood is present. Very mild on the bees in either method of sublimation or syrup dribble.
I agree, no powdered sugar for treatment, or any loose dry feed ie granulated sugar (Mountain Camp Method) or dry pollen substitute as feed inside the hive.
 
Friends, i am confused now. The local bee-keepers around here either use Oxalic-acid with a vaporizer or powdered sugar to address the mites. I helped out during an acid treatment and accidentally inhaled some of the vapor. Made me cough for days - maybe i am overly sensitive to volatile organic acids, i can't stand vinegar and formic acid, makes me coughing immediately. That's why i decided to go with the powered sugar method.
Anyways, i received the new Dadant catalogue yesterday and i read through the turquoise section (Medications and Pest Control) and found literally a ton of "medications" against varroa:
  • APIGUARD - a slow release thymol gel that is also effectively treating Tracheal mites
  • Formic Pro strips - I assume those strips slowly release formic acid
  • Mite Away Quick Strips - Formic-Acid polysaccharide gel which (i assume) is supposed to be fed by the bees to the brood as it »kills the varroa mite where it reproduces under the brood cap« (?)
  • Apistan strips - contains a »synthetic pyrethroid tau-fluvalinate«, so basically a mite targeting insecticide that is (more or less) harmless for the bees?
  • Apivar - wow! "Controlled Release Technology" 🤯 - Or in other words a strip that releases Amitraz, an acaricide, over time. Whatever an acaricide might bee…
Has anyone any experiences with these products?
Any recommendations?
I will receive my packaged bees in 2-3 weeks, when should i start with mite treatment after installing the bees?
😵
 
Friends, i am confused now. The local bee-keepers around here either use Oxalic-acid with a vaporizer or powdered sugar to address the mites. I helped out during an acid treatment and accidentally inhaled some of the vapor. Made me cough for days - maybe i am overly sensitive to volatile organic acids, i can't stand vinegar and formic acid, makes me coughing immediately. That's why i decided to go with the powered sugar method.
Anyways, i received the new Dadant catalogue yesterday and i read through the turquoise section (Medications and Pest Control) and found literally a ton of "medications" against varroa:
  • APIGUARD - a slow release thymol gel that is also effectively treating Tracheal mites
  • Formic Pro strips - I assume those strips slowly release formic acid
  • Mite Away Quick Strips - Formic-Acid polysaccharide gel which (i assume) is supposed to be fed by the bees to the brood as it »kills the varroa mite where it reproduces under the brood cap« (?)
  • Apistan strips - contains a »synthetic pyrethroid tau-fluvalinate«, so basically a mite targeting insecticide that is (more or less) harmless for the bees?
  • Apivar - wow! "Controlled Release Technology" 🤯 - Or in other words a strip that releases Amitraz, an acaricide, over time. Whatever an acaricide might bee…
Has anyone any experiences with these products?
Any recommendations?
I will receive my packaged bees in 2-3 weeks, when should i start with mite treatment after installing the bees?
😵
I have had good results with the Apivar strips. Two treatments, one in the fall removing around mid November, N0w getting ready for the spring treatment being removed just before the Blue Berry nectar flow, about mid April. There are natural applications that call for caging the Queen to interrupt brood production in the spring, not a good option for me. It is now thought that Varroa are becoming resistant to Apivar so I may have to start considering other options if I see this in our hives. Fall treatment I put 2 strips in in top and bottom boxes 4 total staggering (ie) bot 1 front 1 back, top box I will put the strips reversed so the strips aren't over each other. As far as treating your new bees, it's rock and a hard place. To sacrifice bees from a package for a mite count is reducing population. Myself I would treat as an ounce of prevention, it's not going to hurt and you maintain the number of be bees. If you have access to a bee keeper who can sell a NUC rather than a mailed package I would go that way. NUCs already have brood coming on where as your package is starting from square one. I'm sure other keepers on the site have other options for you. I'm in New Jersey, where you are there may be better options.
 
Has anyone any experiences with these products?
Any recommendations?
I will receive my packaged bees in 2-3 weeks, when should i start with mite treatment after installing the bees?
😵
Don't think about all the other treatments yet. All packages come with mites and you want to give them a clean start. Use an Oxalic Acid Dribble treatment, it's easy. No vapors because you're using it as a liquid. The plan is to treat them before they have capped brood because the mites will be protected and reproduce in the capped cells. After the queen is released from the cage you have about 5 days to treat. After the 7th or 8th day it's too late. Put a tray or sheet of paper on the bottom board before you treat them. Pull it out 24 hours later and count the mites. I've seen anywhere from a few hundred to thousands. That's why so many first year beekeepers lose their bees.

https://www.betterbee.com/instructions-and-resources/how-to-do-an-oxalic-acid-dribble-treatment.asp

https://nybeewellness.org/diagnostics/mite-check/bee-package-treatment-project-2017/
 
All packages come with mites and you want to give them a clean start.
I've only ever gotten one package of bees that came with mites and they were loaded. They did not survive.

The packages of bees I get from CA come with an inspection sticker and are certified to be mite free. I have not fpund any evidence of mites in the certified mite free packages.
 

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