The Moonshiner's Leghorns

[The Moonshiner]

Now back to when Kiki explained mottling to me and I said that that sounded like it would be a pain in the @$$ later.
Since mottling is recessive the 4 varieties that aren't mottled can be carrying the gene. I'd have to test breed those birds to make sure I only keep the ones that don't carry mottling.
To do that you breed them to a mottled bird and see what they produce. You have to hatch more then a couple to play the odds enough to make sure but if you hatch any mottled chicks then they carry it. If you don't hatch any mottled chicks then they don't.
When my F2s were mature I'd need to make some crosses to get the golden males to gold and the SF barred males to DF barred males.
I'd go ahead and do my test breeding at this point and weed out the mottled carries then use non carries for the varieties that I don't need mottling to do my final crosses.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Ok now that I've had some sleep the F1 crosses would produce....

Pullets...
Silver duckwing
Gold duckwing
Silver duckwing mottled
Gold duckwing mottled
Silver duckwing barred
Gold duckwing barred
Silver duckwing mottled barred
Gold duckwing mottled barred
Silver duckwing split mottled
Gold duckwing split mottled
Silver duckwing barred split mottled
Gold duckwing barred split mottled

Blue would be keepers
Red would be throw aways

Cockerels....
Silver duckwing
Golden duckwing
Silver duckwing mottled
Golden duckwing mottled
Silver duckwing SF barred
Golden duckwing SF barred
Silver duckwing mottled SF barred
Golden duckwing mottled SF barred
Silver duckwing split mottled
Golden duckwing split mottled
Silver duckwing SF barred split mottled
Golden duckwing SF barred split mottled

Blue would be keepers
Red would be throw aways
Green would move forward to final crosses

 

[The Moonshiner]

Then I'd need to cross the golden males to their matching gold females to get about 50/50 gold and golden offspring. Of course keeping the gold and disregarding the goldens.
Also same for SF barred males. Breed those to matching barred females and produce about 50/50 of SF and DF barred males. Disregard the SF barred.
Now I'd be at my 8 varieties.

 

[Amer]

So what you're saying is that mottling is recessive so they need two copies to be expressed?
So that would mean a copy from each parent but since these will only get one copy from the hen that the offspring will carry or be split for mottling but it will be sight unseen?
That sounds like its gonna be a pain in my @$$ later on.

I think that's what I'm saying.
I don't know but that sounds good to me.


I'm taking notes.

So my F1 offspring will be.....
Pullets... Silver duckwing carrying mottling.
Cockerels...silver/gold duckwing single factored barred carrying mottling.
Right?

This split business is confusing me.
This means they carry it but don't show it?

My battery is about dead be back in a bit.
Now we know what the F1s are and what genes will be in play so what will I get from crossing them.
I start with the easy one.
Both are wild type (duckwing) so all offspring will be duckwing.
Now for gold/silver, barring, and mottling.
Ok Kiki get us started.

Ok now that I've had some sleep the F1 crosses would produce....

Pullets...
Silver duckwing
Gold duckwing
Silver duckwing mottled
Gold duckwing mottled
Silver duckwing barred
Gold duckwing barred
Silver duckwing mottled barred
Gold duckwing mottled barred
Silver duckwing split mottled
Gold duckwing split mottled
Silver duckwing barred split mottled
Gold duckwing barred split mottled

Cockerels....
Silver duckwing
Golden duckwing
Silver duckwing mottled
Golden duckwing mottled
Silver duckwing SF barred
Golden duckwing SF barred
Silver duckwing mottled SF barred
Golden duckwing mottled SF barred
Silver duckwing split mottled
Golden duckwing split mottled
Silver duckwing SF barred split mottled
Golden duckwing SF barred split mottled

Then I'd need to cross the golden males to gold females to get about 50/50 gold and golden offspring. Of course keeping the gold and disregarding the goldens.
Also same for SF barred males. Breed those to barred females and produce about 50/50 of SF and DF barred males.
Now I'd be at my 8 varieties.

Aw, I was asleep.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Aw, I was asleep.

are you caught up now?
Now waiting to hear from Kiki and see if she followed all that.

 

[Amer]

are you caught up now?
Now waiting to hear from Kiki and see if she followed all that.

Yup.

 

[Kiki]

I'm not awake enough just yet to follow that
Give me a few hours. I'm going to have to read everything a few times.

 

[Kiki]

My battery is about dead be back in a bit.
Now we know what the F1s are and what genes will be in play so what will I get from crossing them.
I start with the easy one.
Both are wild type (duckwing) so all offspring will be duckwing.
Now for gold/silver, barring, and mottling.
Ok Kiki get us started.

I'm thinking that since they both will be carrying this mottling business that it's going to be seen in the second batch of kids but which sex?

 

[Kiki]

are you caught up now?
Now waiting to hear from Kiki and see if she followed all that.

I'm getting it.

I'm no where near close but it's starting to make sense.

 

[Kiki]

I'm thinking that since they both will be carrying this mottling business that it's going to be seen in the second batch of kids but which sex?
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I replied before I finished cathing up.