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... But I do not have enough stuff I don't think for them to eat unless the trees on our property count. I would love to get some fresh honey!

Trees are a very important source of nectar. Sometimes we don't even realize they're blooming but the bees know. The flowers may not be showy but there are millions of them and quantity is what is important for honey bees.
If they are still going after this, and not the nectar, you would think they are gaining something from the feed. ??


I got a pic of the honey bees in the chicken feed just a few minutes ago


I put some nectar out and they won't touch it?
Make sure the nectar is close to the feed you're having a problem with and also pebbles and things in the syrup so they have something to land on without drowning.
I've put things close to the hive and even planted beds of flowering plants next to the hives for them and they get ignored. When the foragers come out of the hive, they make a 'bee line' for distant lands.

Can someone please tell me how do you get the right humidity level for hatching eggs? I failed so many times last summer at it, and I really want to do this. I have three thermometers one is digital and I have marked the dial and the lid for the temp to stay at 100 degrees and the humidity is now at abt. 35-40. But when I go into lock down how much water do I put in the bator for the best hatch rate?

There are many variables, accuracy of hygrometer, egg size, egg color, washed or not, ambient humidity, air movement, ventilation, heat source, etc.. All of which can affect the effect on water loss in the egg.
IMO, the foolproof way to deal with these variables is to weigh the eggs when collected, when set and weekly thereafter. A good inexpensive gram scale is more accurate than any hygrometer I've had (thrown away).
The egg will lose weight from the moment the hen lays it. Storage in a humid environment helps. If you'll be storing long term(over a week), wrap the eggs in plastic till setting.
The egg should lose 0.6 - 0.7% weight per day in the ideal humidity for that egg. Not all eggs were created equal.
It helps a lot to set all the same type of egg, (dark vs. white or light, large vs. small)
I weigh each egg when I set it. If I set less than say 30 eggs, I'll weigh each egg at each weighing. If I have more eggs, I'll weigh a dozen at a time (accounting for the weight of the carton. I'll still track a few individual eggs, for instance, in corners and center of the incubator tray.

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The only time I have ever had birds shrink wrap is when I have interfered with lock down by opening the incubator for whatever reason. Typically hatching birds add humidity and there is not a problem.

Most people that have had to treat for shrink wrap that I have talked to have admitted to "peeking" in the bator

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Thank you Ron! I just put my hygrometer outside on the porch I will check it in a bit. I do not have a Brinsea Spot Check. But it is a digital thermometer and hygrometer. I do not have any plugs in the bator I took them out the day I bought it.

Most thermometers are supposed to be accurate to +-2 F. That's a 4 degree spread and it's not accurate enough for incubating.
The trick is to find one(2 is better) that is guaranteed to be within 1 degree.

Ron reminded me sometime back that oral thermometers are very precise - usually to 0.2 F. And guess what, 98.6 is very close to incubator temperature so a good calibration point.
Another thing to consider is the speed of the thermometer. If we're comparing different types, we may be confused by the lag time of some of them. Mercury and meat probes tend to be faster than digitals like Accurite.
The type of heat element, location of fan controller sensor and thermometer are also critical. In my incubator the fan is integrated with the heat element. The fan runs all the time but when the heat element kicks on, my instant read thermometers will rapidly climb to around 110 or more as the fan blows the heat past them. That doesn't mean the eggs are at 110. They'll read closer to 99 by the time the heat element kicks in again.

Here are a few options for thermometers

digital 6 second probe with +-0.9 F accuracy. It also has adjustable calibration. It is one that I used this last hatch and agreed with the Brinsea spot check within 0.1F.
http://www.thermoworks.com/products/low_cost/rt301wa.html

I have this also to give a high/low alarm in both the incubator and hatcher. Not as accurate but I'm only using it to alert me of dangerous high or low temps.
http://www.thermoworks.com/products/alarm/rt8100.html If you just have an incubator, you can use it for the incy and ambient air.

oral with 10 second readings, accuracy +-0.2 F
http://www.thermoworks.com/products/other/dt_11f.html

thermapen with 3 second readings and +-0.7 F accuracy
http://www.thermoworks.com/products/thermapen/

If you need a long probe, this one isn't as accurate but you can compare to an oral
http://thermoworks.com/products/low_cost/rt610b_12+24.html#Specifications

Since I became unemployed several years ago, I've become a tightwad but IMO, it doesn't hurt to spend big money on a reliable thermometer. Generating heat with electricity requires a lot of power. By extension, running an incubator is expensive, as is a brooder. For that expenditure, we should try to maximize production. It doesn't cost any more to get a 90% hatch than it does a 5% hatch. It doesn't cost any more to brood 100 chicks than it does 2.
My incubator has a 225 watt heat element, the hatcher has a 250 and a 125 watt, I'm running 3 brooders with 150 watts each. That doesn't count light and fans.
If you set 50 eggs and get 5 to hatch, that's 45 ruined eggs you could have eaten or sold as eating eggs for $10 or more.
You do that a few times and counting the wasted electricity, it would quickly pay for a $100 thermometer.


a bit on calibration
http://www.thermoworks.com/blog/2010/10/making-a-proper-ice-bath/

A good incubator/hatcher setup can be sabotaged by a controller that's off by a bit. A precise thermometer is the answer, at least for me it is.


I did find that the thermometer I used most last summer with the hygrometer is off by quite a bit. But I did a test on the others and they all read the same on each test.
So I am hoping I will get better results with these. Some of the chicks did hatch on time but most did not hatch. Out of 12 I only had 4 to hatch. Or out of 6 or 9 I would get 2 or 3 to hatch. I tried like crazy to get my styrofoam bator to 99.5 but it either goes from 98 to 100? I don't know what to do about that. I looked all over for thermometers and only found a few 2 from walmart and two from pet smart and I bought them all!
So if they don't hatch on time then what Ron?
I never shop walmart but I bought thermometers from Lowes, Petco, Petsmart and even incubator companies. For the most part, they were all a waste of money. I could have invested that money in a single good thermometer from the start and had hundreds more birds now.

Hatch time is used to determine if the temperature was too low or too high. Early hatching would mean too high. Late hatching means the temperature was too low.

Too low causes the hatch problems you saw last year.

Also, 100 is a good temperature for the first 18 days. then 98 is perfect for hatching. Your incubator is smarter than you know!
I got this little jewel from IW.
http://incubatorwarehouse.com/egg-incubator-timer.html
It is a countdown, countup timer and as long as all the eggs are set at the same time, you can determine how far off your temperature is based on how early or late the hatch is. (all other things being equal)


I have made my list and I am going to put in my order for my birds this morning! I am so excited! I am going to delay shipment till Feb. 28th so that we can build new brooders and pens for the new birds.
Here is what I am ordering:
Light Brahama's
Buff Orps
RIR's

Bourbon Red Turkey I am ordering 10.
I also wanted some Standard Bronze but they won't start laying till March. So I will have to wait...
Where are you getting them from?
 
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I had to change it to RIR as they only had Buckeyes on Mondays and I needed a Fri. deliver date. But I also went ahead and ordered my turkey and got the Standard Bronze and the Bourbon Reds half and half because I cannot get them till April 30th and I wanted the Bronze also. I am so excited I can hardly wait.... Busy busy, now we start building new pens!
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Trees are a very important source of nectar. Sometimes we don't even realize they're blooming but the bees know. The flowers may not be showy but there are millions of them and quantity is what is important for honey bees.


Make sure the nectar is close to the feed you're having a problem with and also pebbles and things in the syrup so they have something to land on without drowning.
I've put things close to the hive and even planted beds of flowering plants next to the hives for them and they get ignored. When the foragers come out of the hive, they make a 'bee line' for distant lands.


There are many variables, accuracy of hygrometer, egg size, egg color, washed or not, ambient humidity, air movement, ventilation, heat source, etc.. All of which can affect the effect on water loss in the egg.
IMO, the foolproof way to deal with these variables is to weigh the eggs when collected, when set and weekly thereafter. A good inexpensive gram scale is more accurate than any hygrometer I've had (thrown away).
The egg will lose weight from the moment the hen lays it. Storage in a humid environment helps. If you'll be storing long term(over a week), wrap the eggs in plastic till setting.
The egg should lose 0.6 - 0.7% weight in the ideal humidity for that egg. Not all eggs were created equal.
It helps a lot to set all the same type of egg, (dark vs. white or light, large vs. small)
I weigh each egg when I set it. If I set less than say 30 eggs, I'll weigh each egg at each weighing. If I have more eggs, I'll weigh a dozen at a time (accounting for the weight of the carton. I'll still track a few individual eggs, for instance, in corners and center of the incubator tray.


Precisely


Most thermometers are supposed to be accurate to +-2 F. That's a 4 degree spread and it's not accurate enough for incubating.
The trick is to find one(2 is better) that is guaranteed to be within 1 degree.

Ron reminded me sometime back that oral thermometers are very precise - usually to 0.2 F. And guess what, 98.6 is very close to incubator temperature so a good calibration point.
Another thing to consider is the speed of the thermometer. If we're comparing different types, we may be confused by the lag time of some of them. Mercury and meat probes tend to be faster than digitals like Accurite.
The type of heat element, location of fan controller sensor and thermometer are also critical. In my incubator the fan is integrated with the heat element. The fan runs all the time but when the heat element kicks on, my instant read thermometers will rapidly climb to around 110 or more as the fan blows the heat past them. That doesn't mean the eggs are at 110. They'll read closer to 99 by the time the heat element kicks in again.

Here are a few options for thermometers

digital 6 second probe with +-0.9 F accuracy. It also has adjustable calibration. It is one that I used this last hatch and agreed with the Brinsea spot check within 0.1F.
http://www.thermoworks.com/products/low_cost/rt301wa.html

I have this also to give a high/low alarm in both the incubator and hatcher. Not as accurate but I'm only using it to alert me of dangerous high or low temps.
http://www.thermoworks.com/products/alarm/rt8100.html If you just have an incubator, you can use it for the incy and ambient air.

oral with 10 second readings, accuracy +-0.2 F
http://www.thermoworks.com/products/other/dt_11f.html

thermapen with 3 second readings and +-0.7 F accuracy
http://www.thermoworks.com/products/thermapen/

If you need a long probe, this one isn't as accurate but you can compare to an oral
http://thermoworks.com/products/low_cost/rt610b_12+24.html#Specifications

Since became unemployed several years ago, I've become a tightwad but IMO, it doesn't hurt to spend big money on a reliable thermometer. Generating heat with electricity requires a lot of power. By extension, running an incubator is expensive, as is a brooder. For that expenditure, we should try to maximize production. It doesn't cost any more to get a 90% hatch than it does a 5% hatch. It doesn't cost any more to brood 100 chicks than it does 2.

a bit on calibration
http://www.thermoworks.com/blog/2010/10/making-a-proper-ice-bath/

A good incubator/hatcher setup can be sabotaged by a controller that's off by a bit. A precise thermometer is the answer, at least for me it is.


I never shop walmart but I bought thermometers from Lowes, Petco, Petsmart and even incubator companies. For the most part, they were all a waste of money. I could have invested that money in a single good thermometer from the start and had hundreds more birds now.

I got this little jewel from IW.
http://incubatorwarehouse.com/egg-incubator-timer.html
It is a countdown, countup timer and as long as all the eggs are set at the same time, you can determine how far off your temperature is based on how early or late the hatch is. (all other things being equal)


Where are you getting them from?
Chicken Canoe thank you very much for all your help and advice. I will check out he thermometer links you posted for me, thank you so MUCH.
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I wanted some of Frank Reese's turkey stock as Bob Blosl spoke highly of his birds. When I called Frank Reese he told me he did not ship, but that he had sold some of his stock to Country Hatchery in Oklahoma. So I called and he told me he still had Frank Reese's stock so I just ordered from him.

But the chickens I am getting most are from Cackle... which will wind up just being meat birds for sale...
I found a breeder in WI that is selling me the Light Brahma's.
But someone mentioned to me that they may be able to get me some very good quality RC RIR's hatching eggs. But first I need to master hatching 101!
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I did put the nectar near the chicken feed and I put a 2 1/2 inch stick in it for them to land on to eat the nectar, still they may check it out in a day or so.. I hope.
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We do have alot of trees on our property and abt. 500 acres of woods a ways back behind our property. So maybe they do get enough from the trees.
 
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Chicken Canoe thank you very much for all your help and advice. I will check out he thermometer links you posted for me, thank you so MUCH.
big_smile.png

I wanted some of Frank Reese's turkey stock as Bob Blosl spoke highly of his birds. When I called Frank Reese he told me he did not ship, but that he had sold some of his stock to Country Hatchery in Oklahoma. So I called and he told me he still had Frank Reese's stock so I just ordered from him.

But the chickens I am getting most are from Cackle... which will wind up just being meat birds for sale...
I found a breeder in WI that is selling me the Light Brahma's.
But someone mentioned to me that they may be able to get me some very good quality RC RIR's hatching eggs. But first I need to master hatching 101!
big_smile.png



I did put the nectar near the chicken feed and I put a 2 1/2 inch stick in it for them to land on to eat the nectar, still they may check it out in a day or so.. I hope.
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Are you anywhere near Missouri?
The MO Poultry Yearbook lists all NPIP breeders in the state. It's a good resource for all poultry breeds/varieties.
I think this is the most current one.
http://mda.mo.gov/animals/pdf/poultry_yearbook.pdf
 
Are you anywhere near Missouri?
The MO Poultry Yearbook lists all NPIP breeders in the state. It's a good resource for all poultry breeds/varieties.
I think this is the most current one.
http://mda.mo.gov/animals/pdf/poultry_yearbook.pdf
I am in Alabama. I tried buying from Breeders here but they lied and sold me mixed breeds and I was new to poultry and did not know it till months later. And I bought other birds including turkey that were mixed or the wrong breed. So I did not know who to buy from here that would give me what I want... And prices? I just spent over 400. And still have over another 100 or so to go on birds. My dogs killed most of my stock a few months ago so I am trying to get back up to par...
 
I got this little jewel from IW.
http://incubatorwarehouse.com/egg-incubator-timer.html
It is a countdown, countup timer and as long as all the eggs are set at the same time, you can determine how far off your temperature is based on how early or late the hatch is. (all other things being equal)
x 100 THis is how I calibrate my thermomters.

A good reason to run testt batches of eggs before putting int the best or shipped eggs.
 
Make sure the nectar is close to the feed you're having a problem with and also pebbles and things in the syrup so they have something to land on without drowning.

I've put things close to the hive and even planted beds of flowering plants next to the hives for them and they get ignored. When the foragers come out of the hive, they make a 'bee line' for distant lands.

On the topic of bees feeding on trees. The famous and very tasty Tupelo honey comes from very large trees.
 

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