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[Barbiejo]

Morning everyone yesterday I asked about treating for cocci and got a great advice sadly I lost one of the girls last night. The rest seem to be doing well but I am getting conflicting opinions on whether I can feed medicated food while treating with corid so hopefully someone can clear this up for me. Also should I do anything in the run for treating the cocci. They are confined to the coop right now so I can keep a better watch on the situation . Thanks in advance for the advice have had chickens for years but this is my first time with this!

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Please stop talking about that four letter word. I know it is still August but I can already feel the cooler mornings. I know we are still getting up into the 90's but it always seems like the return of cold weather is just around the corner. I know many people think the snow pictures are pretty and they are but after a month of it (and we don't have nearly as bad winters typically as SCG) I am ready to pack my crap and move south.

The older we get, the quicker the years go by.

When you are talking genetics, "dominance" only counts in expression, not inheritance. The offspring of an animal that has inherited one copy of a dominant gene, and one of a recessive gene, have an equal chance of inheriting either gene. In the case of the blue vs. white egg color, for example. Blue (O) is dominant over white (o). In a bird that has one copy of each gene, (Oo), each chick has a 50/50 chance of inheriting the gene for blue eggs. It's pretty much like flipping a coin. Now, if you were to toss that coin only 6 times, you might get 3 "heads" and 3 "tails," but you could get 2 and 4, or 1 and 5, or even 0 and 6, and it wouldn't be "statistically significant" because your sample group was so small. The same is true of genetics. If you hatched 1000 chicks, roughly half would inherit the blue shell gene from the parent, and the other half would have gotten the white shell gene. But in a group as small as one clutch, the numbers could go any way, and it really doesn't mean anything.

And to make things really confusing, not all dominant genes are created equal. Some are completely dominant, and there is no obvious difference between individuals that have one copy of the dominant gene and one copy of the recessive, and those that have two copies of the dominant gene. Some, however, show a cumulative effect. The Blue/Black/Splash color gene is an example of this. The gene that causes the blue coloration is dominant - if a bird inherits it, the color of the feathers will be affected. A bird with two copies of the black gene, and (obviously) no copies of the blue gene, is black in color. A bird with one copy of the blue gene, and one of the black gene, is blue. A bird with two copies of the blue gene is splash, which is pretty much a white bird with a little bit of blue/black color scattered here and there in its feathers. Breed a splash to a black, and you will get all blues, but breed two blues together, and you get blue, black and splash.

In the case of rose vs. single comb, rose comb is dominant. Any chick that inherits the rose comb gene will have a rose comb. Clearly, your rooster has one copy of the gene for rose comb, and one for a straight comb, if he is throwing straight combed offspring. Interestingly, a rooster that has two copies of the rose comb gene has reduced sperm motility, meaning he may not be as fertile as one with a rose comb that also has a copy of the straight-comb gene.

Good explanation especially when looking at too small of a sample size.

I want to offer the following observation which tells me that there are multiple genes that cause brown egg shells.
I had a Welsummer that laid extremely dark eggs bred to a Penedesenca cock. I was anxiously anticipating the offsprings' eggs expecting a compounding. Not the case. Apparently the genes cancelled each other out. The offspring eggs were a very light brown.
Again a small sample size and it may not apply to the blue egg/white egg gene discussion and specifically compounding blue with different breeds carrying the gene.

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Oooooh I've never had grilled crab legs! Snow crab legs are one of my favorite dishes! How long do you grill them?

Grilled lobster is awesome too.

Clearly, I need to attend a genetics 101 class.

You're not the only one.

Morning everyone yesterday I asked about treating for cocci and got a great advice sadly I lost one of the girls last night. The rest seem to be doing well but I am getting conflicting opinions on whether I can feed medicated food while treating with corid so hopefully someone can clear this up for me. Also should I do anything in the run for treating the cocci. They are confined to the coop right now so I can keep a better watch on the situation . Thanks in advance for the advice have had chickens for years but this is my first time with this!

Most people claim that you can do both. However, I remember the one time I had medicated feed that the label said not to use amprolium while feeding the medicated feed. I take that to mean that they can get too much.

I would recommend feeding an unmedicated feed and treating with corid with the higher shorter dosage.

 

[ronott1]

The older we get, the quicker the years go by.

Good explanation especially when looking at too small of a sample size.

I want to offer the following observation which tells me that there are multiple genes that cause brown egg shells.
I had a Welsummer that laid extremely dark eggs bred to a Penedesenca cock. I was anxiously anticipating the offsprings' eggs expecting a compounding. Not the case. Apparently the genes cancelled each other out. The offspring eggs were a very light brown.
Again a small sample size and it may not apply to the blue egg/white egg gene discussion and specifically compounding blue with different breeds carrying the gene.

Depending on the breed, there are 9 to 15 gene pairs for brown color. It is not "simple" genetics but rather complicated.

Good observation.

 

[Barbiejo]

The older we get, the quicker the years go by.

Good explanation especially when looking at too small of a sample size.

I want to offer the following observation which tells me that there are multiple genes that cause brown egg shells.
I had a Welsummer that laid extremely dark eggs bred to a Penedesenca cock. I was anxiously anticipating the offsprings' eggs expecting a compounding. Not the case. Apparently the genes cancelled each other out. The offspring eggs were a very light brown.
Again a small sample size and it may not apply to the blue egg/white egg gene discussion and specifically compounding blue with different breeds carrying the gene.

Grilled lobster is awesome too.

You're not the only one.



Most people claim that you can do both. However, I remember the one time I had medicated feed that the label said not to use amprolium while feeding the medicated feed. I take that to mean that they can get too much.

I would recommend feeding an unmedicated feed and treating with corid with the higher shorter dosage.

Okay I just called purina and asked the question about the medicated food and corid and they told me it was okay to continue both. I appreciate everyone's advice.

 

[chickisoup]

Morning everyone yesterday I asked about treating for cocci and got a great advice sadly I lost one of the girls last night. The rest seem to be doing well but I am getting conflicting opinions on whether I can feed medicated food while treating with corid so hopefully someone can clear this up for me. Also should I do anything in the run for treating the cocci. They are confined to the coop right now so I can keep a better watch on the situation . Thanks in advance for the advice have had chickens for years but this is my first time with this!

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/coccidiosis-and-medicated-feed

this link should answer your questions. good luck.

 

[ozexpat]

Just dropping in after a couple of days. I was 334 posts behind

I saw topics on race, beauty and politics but the only post edited by staff was a comment on fermented feed

gotta love chicken people

 

[Sylviaanne]

The roo for the mix is a BCM x (BCM x Cuckoo Marans), and the hen is something along the lines of (Araucana x ?) x (Orpington OR some sort of Silkie x Finnish Landrace), or at least this is what the person who sold us the eggs told us. Looking at the birds, I don't think there's Orpington in there, I'm leaning towards the Silkie x landrace cross in there. But to put it shortly, a bit of everything. Made for a pretty chicken though, even though her hairdo is a bit questionable.

I have some that look just like this. Mine are from a Crested Polish rooster. I have several different breeds of hens but mine that look like that either come from my Red Production or the hen that looks like an Australorp. I have some that look very similar but they are from my EE hens because they have fluffy cheeks.

 

[vehve]

[COLOR=333333]The roo for the mix is a BCM x (BCM x Cuckoo Marans), and the hen is something along the lines of (Araucana x ?) x (Orpington OR some sort of Silkie x Finnish Landrace), or at least this is what the person who sold us the eggs told us. Looking at the birds, I don't think there's Orpington in there, I'm leaning towards the Silkie x landrace cross in there. But to put it shortly, a bit of everything. Made for a pretty chicken though, even though her hairdo is a bit questionable.[/COLOR]

I have some that look just like this. Mine are from a Crested Polish rooster. I have several different breeds of hens but mine that look like that either come from my Red Production or the hen that looks like an Australorp. I have some that look very similar but they are from my EE hens because they have fluffy cheeks.

The Silkie part mught actually be Polish, I think the person who we got the eggs from used the term "Silkieish".

 

[Sylviaanne]

The Silkie part mught actually be Polish, I think the person who we got the eggs from used the term "Silkieish".

LOL I don't know about Silkieish but I am thinking about breeding a male and female that look like that and see what I get. It will have to be next year cause they are not old enough to lay yet.

 

[Bunnylady]

Quote: The same gene that causes the crest feathers on the Silkie, Polish, etc. also causes what they call a vaulted skull. The skull is arched upward, and there actually are gaps in it. Birds that have one copy of the crested gene don't have much of either a vault or a crest; birds with two copies have a lot more. If you breed two birds with small crests together, you can get some offspring that have bigger crests, but they also have the vaults, too. Because there are gaps in the bone of the skull, these birds are more vulnerable to brain injury from the pecks of other birds (this is something I learned the hard way).