The Old Folks Home

[sunflour]

Of course, I'm a southern girl, but although I love collards, I won't bother with them if I don't have some cornbread to go with them. Now, it shouldn't be sweet, NO cornbread should contain sugar, but if you have a mess of collards, you also have to have cornbread and pepper sauce.

Cornbread yes, of course….but no pepper sauce for me. I like the collards quite plain.

 

[sunflour]

I have often wondered how to mimic a frost for the bunches purchased at the grocery.

Don't think you can, but try placing them in freezer for a few seconds...

 

[sunflour]

yumm cracker barrel

Wish you could come to GA for real cooking….Cracker Barrel is only a step above fast food hamburgers, IMO.

 

[ozexpat]

here is a really long table with the maximum amounts of various products that should be included.

from http://www.canadianpoultry.ca/chapter_ii.htm

Name

Maximum Recommended

Toxins/Antinutrients
a) Energy sources
I. grains
millet meal (or whole grain)
oats
barley
rye
wheat
triticale
sago meal

30%
5% - dehulled 30%
10% - with enzyme 30%
5% - with enzyme 20%
20% - with enzyme 40% (10% CP)
5% - with enzyme 20% (12% CP)
15%



B-glucans
tannins
tannins
Cereal by-products
corn gluten feed
wheat bran
wheat middlings
rice bran or polishings
30% (22% CP)
5% (15% CP)
10% (17% CP)
15% (13% CP)

II. Roots, corms and tubers
Soaking in water for 60 min. or cooking before drying will remove some antinutrients from roots, corms and tubers.
cassava root meal, (farine, tapioca);Manihot esculenta
malanga (taro) cormmeal;
15% with 0.1% methionine and 0.2% sodium sulphate (Na2SO4) 30% (2% CP)
10% (6.5% CP)
cyanide, polyphenols and antinutrients
antinutrients
Colacasia esculenta
dried factory sugar cane waste or molasses
yam meal; Canna edulis
yucca meal; Yucca amaraga
sweet potato meal; Ipomea batatas
potato; solaum tuberosum
5% after 2 weeks 10% after 4 weeks
10% (fresh, free choice)
10% (fresh, free choice)
30% (fresh, free choice)
20% (7% CP)





trypsin inhibitors; solanine, if green or spoiled
III. Other feeds
plantain & banana meal or sun dried chips
plantain & banana peel meal
breadfruit meal or sun dried
breadfruit leaf meal
nettle meal
cocoa husk meal
sweet potato peel meal
dried factory tomato residue
dried factory potato waste
dried factory citrus residue
dried factory date waste (without stones)
20% (fresh, free choice)
5% (fresh, free choice)
10% (fresh, free choice)
2% (fresh, free choice)
5% (fresh, free choice)
5% - 10% after 8 weeks
10% - 20% layers
5%
5%
5%
5% (4% CP)









trypsin inhibitors
Name

Maximum Recommended

Toxins/Antinutrients
b) Protein sources
I. Grain legumes
Legume plants and seeds (grains) are higher in protein than other plants. Many grain legumes contain antinutrients such as trypsin inhibitors, tannins, saponins, alkaloids, and antivitamins that can be removed by heating or processing. Over-heating also lowers the nutritional value.
field peas; Pisum sativum
cow peas; Vinga unguicalata
pigeon peas; Canjanus canjan
chick peas; Cicer arietinum
sweet lupin; Lupinus albus
vetch; Lathyrus species
(L. odoratus, sweet pea; L. hirsutis, caley pea; L. pusillus; L. roseus)
vetch; Vicia species
jack beans; Caravalia ensifornis
faba (field) beans; Vicia faba
narbon beans; Vicia nabonenis
kidney bean; Phaseolus vulgaris
lima beans; Phaseolus lunatus
soybeans; Glycine max
peanuts, Arachis hypogaea
10%
10%
5%
5%
5% - 15% in layers
2%

2%
5%- 10% in layers
5%- 10% in layers
5%- 10% in layers
5%- 10% in layers
5% - 10% in layers
10% - 15% after 3 weeks (35% CP)
10% - 15% after 3 weeks (46% CP)
antinutrients
antinutrients
antinutrients
antinutrients
antinutrients
lathyrogens & antinutrients

lathyrogens, cyanogenic glycocides, antinutrients
antinutrients
antinutrients
antinutrients
antinutrients
antinutrients
antinutrients
antinutrients
II. Oilseed cake (processed meal, oil removed)
soybean meal
peanut cake
coconut oil meal; copra
palm kernel meal
flax cake
sunflower meal, Helianthus annus
safflower meal
sesame seed meal
cottonseed meal; Gossypium sp.
Canola meal (and other low erucic acid rapeseeds) Brassica napus
corn gluten meal (60%)

40% (46% CP)
10% - 20% in layers (40% CP)
15% - 20% in layers (21% CP)
15% - 20% in layers (21% CP)
15% - 20% in layers (43% CP)
10% (40% CP)
10% (40% CP)
10% (47% CP)
5% - 10% in layers
10% - 20% in layers (33% CP)
15% (60% CP)









gossypol
goiterogenic factors, erucic acid, glucoisolates
III. Other protein sources
weed seeds (separated from cereal grain for human use)
coca bean meal
coffee seed meal
tamarind seed
rubber seed meal
mango seed kernel meal (dehulled)
carob tree pod meal; Ceratonia siliqus
ambadi seed meal; Hibiscus cannabinus
Jamaica seed (meal), Hibiscus sabdariffa
dried cow dung or rumen content

5%
5%
2%
2%
2%
5% (or fresh free-choice)
5% - 10% in layers
5% - 10% in layers
10-20% in layers (26% CP)
5% after 2 wks of age, (25% CP)

toxic seeds may be present
theobromine
caffeine
Tannins, antitrypsin
antinutrients



(18% fat)



Name

Maximum Recommended

Toxins/Antinutrients
dried poultry manure
alfalfa leaf meal
subabul leaf meal; Leucaena leucocephala
subabul seed meal; Leucaena Leucocephala
dried distillery or brewery waste
sweet potato leaf meal
water fern, Azolla pinnata
duck weed meal; Lemma fibba
other aquatic plants; Elodea canadensis, Hydrilla vertuallata
algae meal; Spirulina plantensis
housefly pupae or larvae meal
silk worm pupae meal
earthworm meal (or sun dried)
termite meal
amaranth; Amaranthus patulas
Sesbania macrocarpa seed meal
quinua seed (or meal),Chenopodium quinoa
5% after 2 wks of age, 10% after 4
wks of age, 15% in layers
3% (16% CP)
3%
5%
5% (22% CP)
2%
fresh 3% or free choice
10% - 25% for layers
3% - 5% for layers (30-40% CP)
5%; with 0.5% lysine and 0.2% methionine 10%
5% (or fresh) (60% CP)
5% (or fresh)
5% (or fresh) (60% CP)
5% (or fresh)
5% - 10% in layers
2% - 8% in layers
5% (12% CP)
if from layers contains up to 7% Ca and 2% P
saponins
minosine, antitrypsin
minosine, antitrypsin






some blue-green algae (Cyanophite) are toxic





saponins

 

[Arielle]

Quote: LOL I thought of that too!!!! BUt like you thought that might be a hard frost, maybe the coldest part of my frig is enough, it is a light frost!!!

 

[Arielle]

Brace yourself SCG-- another 14-20 inches due north of Mass on Monday. Hope the forcast is revamped by SUn for a little less snow. WE have another foot due . . .. . snowblower with new belt worked for 15 minutes and hten quit. We loaded it up asap, off to a pro for repairs. UGH. WOnt be back for this storm . . maybe the next one. NEed new shovels!!! lol

 

[sunflour]

Brace yourself SCG-- another 14-20 inches due north of Mass on Monday. Hope the forcast is revamped by SUn for a little less snow. WE have another foot due . . .. . snowblower with new belt worked for 15 minutes and hten quit. We loaded it up asap, off to a pro for repairs. UGH. WOnt be back for this storm . . maybe the next one. NEed new shovels!!! lol

Oh my. We in the south used to wish for snow…used to think y'all thought southerns were stupid 'cause we have an accent and slower speech, but now I am certain it is because we wished for snow.

 

[vehve]

Okay, looking at all the great info you guys have posted about fats, I think I should be pretty safe with the amounts in our mix. I was mainly worried about the high oil content in the rapeseed pellets, but since I'm only mixing about 10% of them in, it shouldn't be a problem. At the moment, it looks like I'm at about 7%, that's probably fine for winter. In the summer they will consume more grass and other leafy products they find, so it will decrease the fat content.

 

[superchemicalgirl]

Brace yourself SCG-- another 14-20 inches due north of Mass on Monday. Hope the forcast is revamped by SUn for a little less snow. WE have another foot due . . .. . snowblower with new belt worked for 15 minutes and hten quit. We loaded it up asap, off to a pro for repairs. UGH. WOnt be back for this storm . . maybe the next one. NEed new shovels!!! lol

Looks like this one is going to (hopefully) miss us - 2 to 6 inches predicted. Unfortunately it's supposed to start snowing tomorrow mid day and not stop until Monday mid day... So that's depressing but not as depressing as another foot of snow.

Our snowblower broke the last storm... or the storm before that, not sure, really... BF was tired of messing with it so he just bought me a new one. This one has a much more powerful engine and a metal chute, which makes flinging frozen poultry and goat poops much more auditorially pleasing.

 

[chickisoup]

The Kindle case looks just like mine