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[ronott1]

I assume they are legal here. I used to have a loan with a bank which I payed with post dated checks. I will look into it, but I have never been questioned on it. I actually give the tenants a discount for it, making the rent $50 less if they provide post dated checks, which I guess means it is optional, though I have never had anyone opt to pay the higher rent.

It looks like it is legal as long as no one is intending to fraud the other.

The funny thing about checks now is that they are being used like debit cards by the stores. The check is scanned and the funds are taken directly out of the customers account. The check is often handed back to the customer and if there is insufficient funds, the sale is denied on the spot.

 

[vehve]

The debit card sort of cuts out the risk of check fraud. But checking them like that would work too, I suppose. Loads of excess paper though.

Thanks for the input on feeding guys, too much to respond to individually, because I'm exhausted. But I've got 40kg concentrate and about 70 kg of different grains and grain mixes, so I think I won't be making drastic changes to their diet for a while, that will take 7 birds quite some time to eat.

Here's what Karin and I have been up to all afternoon:

Half way through:


The girls seem to enjoy the protection from wind.






We left the top open for ventilation, I hope I won't be getting too much snow in through there.

 

[perchie.girl]

Quote: We just bought horse for dinner for today. I haven't eaten horse steaks before, will be interesting.
During the depression, my mother's family ate horse meat, but were unaware of it at the time. They usually farmed, and ate pretty good. My grandfather was a machinist. At some point, he got a job in Chicago, and they lived in the city in an apartment, until they got settled into a farm, and resumed farming. Many of the butchers in the city were substituting horse meat for beef due to the higher profit margin. This is when, and where it is suspected that horse meat was introduced into the family's diet. Fast forward to my first DPT shot. I got very sick, ran a very high fever, and swelled really bad. Enough that my mother took me to the doctor. I don't know what all I was given for it, and what else was done, but I do know my arm was packed in ice for a few days. The doctor explained to my mother he had seen this before. Back then, most Tetanus shots were made from horse serum. Children from families that had ingested horse meat were prone to having a severe reaction to the tetanus shot derived from horse serum. He told her that it takes 3 generations to clear this out of a bloodline, and any horse derived serum could pose a threat for 3 generations. From then on, when I got a Tetanus shot, I was given what was called the Tetanus anti-serum, which was not derived from horse serum. Today, Tetanus shots are not made from horse serum, so me, my kids, and grandkids don't have to worry about it.

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@ChickenCanoe the protein thing is just something I've read on here, not something I do, but thanks for the info, also the moulting genetics info. Yup, it's a roll away nesting box, front access. What's a trap nest?
Side notes
The weasel is gone and my neighbours horses have volunteered to cut the front lawn

@perchie.girl how big are those $18 bales?

Hennible, most hay bales in California weigh about 100 pounds and are selling for $18-$22 a bale, less if you buy a tractor trailer load. We feed two bales of alfalfa a day.

-Kathy

Quote: We just bought horse for dinner for today. I haven't eaten horse steaks before, will be interesting.

I hear its very lean like Elk or Deer or Buffalo. And very mild. Not going to search it out for myself but if it were a survival situation.... I would consider it. I have had horses for much too long in my live to ever consider them meat on the hoof. Same would go for eating dog meat or cat meat.... I have had dogs much longer than horses.

deb

 

[Bunnylady]

I think most people recoil at the thought of eating their friends, even the non-human ones.

 

[perchie.girl]

Quote: We just bought horse for dinner for today. I haven't eaten horse steaks before, will be interesting.
During the depression, my mother's family ate horse meat, but were unaware of it at the time. They usually farmed, and ate pretty good. My grandfather was a machinist. At some point, he got a job in Chicago, and they lived in the city in an apartment, until they got settled into a farm, and resumed farming. Many of the butchers in the city were substituting horse meat for beef due to the higher profit margin. This is when, and where it is suspected that horse meat was introduced into the family's diet. Fast forward to my first DPT shot. I got very sick, ran a very high fever, and swelled really bad. Enough that my mother took me to the doctor. I don't know what all I was given for it, and what else was done, but I do know my arm was packed in ice for a few days. The doctor explained to my mother he had seen this before. Back then, most Tetanus shots were made from horse serum. Children from families that had ingested horse meat were prone to having a severe reaction to the tetanus shot derived from horse serum. He told her that it takes 3 generations to clear this out of a bloodline, and any horse derived serum could pose a threat for 3 generations. From then on, when I got a Tetanus shot, I was given what was called the Tetanus anti-serum, which was not derived from horse serum. Today, Tetanus shots are not made from horse serum, so me, my kids, and grandkids don't have to worry about it.

that is very interesting about Horse meat and Tetanus serum. And something I didnt know. Her is another thing. Back in 2000 when I was purchasing Katee there was a protest war going on about Premarine. I didnt know about this till about a year after I had brought her home.

Pregnant Mare Urine is used to create Estrogen replacement treatments.... The best horses for this task are Draft Mares. Because of their size in relation to Urine out put. The PMU foals were considered trash foals because they used any kind of stallion to make them. So The foals born were raised up till they were able to survive without mommas milk.... The day they were weaned they were packed off in truck loads to auction for meat. Yep they went to Europe. Thats only half of it. The other half is while those mares were pregnant they were kept in tie stalls with very little activity allowed.... And Huge collection bags fastened to collect urine.

There were farms all over the US doing this. There are still a few left in Canada... But the estrogen is very very valuable enough to keep the practice going over protests.

Look up PMU foals. if it seems like a tall story. I cant.

Sad part is most women can go through menopause without hormone replacement therapy... Its the doctors that prescribed it out of hand...


deb

 

[perchie.girl]

Quote: Hay bales run between 100 to 125 lbs depending on the time of year and the type of hay. Draft horses are easy keepers because they have low twitch muscles. Therefore pound for pound they eat less than light horses. Light horses need up to 1.75%-2% of their body weight per day in the form of forage... This is for horses that dont work and are not producing babies.

Draft horses on the other hand are more efficient... only requiring 1.5% of their body wieght in the form of forage. Or about 30 pounds of hay per day.... So each bale is good for three days with a little left to mess around with. Horses are grazers and designed to be eating constantly.... So if they dont have a daily job and nothing to graze on all day neurotic behavoirs occur..... So She gets a Whole bale of hay dumped in her feeder and she nibbles on it for three days.

So the 160 +- a month I spend on hay is good. If I were boarding her at a boarding ranch the cost per month would start at 300... I payed 400 the last place I boarded.

deb

 

[perchie.girl]

@ChickenCanoe the protein thing is just something I've read on here, not something I do, but thanks for the info, also the moulting genetics info. Yup, it's a roll away nesting box, front access. What's a trap nest?
Side notes
The weasel is gone and my neighbours horses have volunteered to cut the front lawn

@perchie.girl how big are those $18 bales?

Depending on what you feed the weight will be different..... I feed straight Bermuda. Its the least expensive and lower in calories than other feeds. My girl is an Air fern.... So a bale is three feet long 18 inches wide and about 15 inches deep. Which is the size for a three strand bale here in California.
Bermuda will be around 100 lbs sometimes up to 125 lbs
Alfalfa will be around 110 lbs sometimes up to 130 lbs.
Oat hay I belive can be as small as 75 lbs up to 100 lbs a bale
Alfalfa is a legume and much much richer than Bermuda.... its not a prospect for free feeding. When I am there at the house I usually feed a slim flake of alfalfa twice a day on top of the free feed of Bermuda... It balances the calcium/phosperous ratio. the cost for feeding all together would go down If I were able to do that.

deb

 

[vehve]

400 sounds cheap to what you'd pay here. The crappier places start at around 500 euros, and then you don't have very good riding options close by. If you want a place with good trails and a manége, it will be closer to 700-800 euros.

The horse meat was delicious. I'd say it should be left in a pan for about a minute longer than beef though, it didn't cook as quickly. We had it with a nice salad, topped with some grilled chevré, honey and roasted pecans. The meat came pre-marinated with parsley, thyme and garlic.

 

[perchie.girl]

Hennible, most hay bales in California weigh about 100 pounds and are selling for $18-$22 a bale, less if you buy a tractor trailer load. We feed two bales of alfalfa a day.

-Kathy

minimum tractor trailer load here is 600 bales.... Thats approximately three tons. Drops the price considerably between 2-5 dollars a bale. In my case I dont have a place to store it... though 600 bales would last me half a year it is tempting.

deb

 

[casportpony]

400 sounds cheap to what you'd pay here. The crappier places start at around 500 euros, and then you don't have very good riding options close by. If you want a place with good trails and a manége, it will be closer to 700-800 euros. The horse meat was delicious. I'd say it should be left in a pan for about a minute longer than beef though, it didn't cook as quickly. We had it with a nice salad, topped with some grilled chevré, honey and roasted pecans. The meat came pre-marinated with parsley, thyme and garlic.

That looks tasty! -Kathy