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How do you guys know so much about your family history? I've recently gotten into the ancestry.com site, but its basic birth, death, marriage stuff.


A combo... We had old family stories, and old diaries which helped bunches with understanding why they did stuff. Some of them are AWESOME! I had one ancestor that hired himself out as an upper rank mercenary to Napoleon. He slaughtered and plundered and got bunches of goodies by doing bad stuff, but then was at Waterloo, on the loosing side. Oops.

But ancestry has excellent stuff, I have used them extensively to get the facts straightened out. Marriage dates etc. But you need to do it slowly and carefully and don't get tempted to add everything that pops up or that other people have found. Lots of that is wrong. Kids swap names all the bleebing time! I had one family that gave me fits. My ancester on that side had ALL of his relatives die by the time he was 12 so he was fuzzy as to family history... Duh. The five brothers that all came to Texas with their wives and kids in the 1800s all of the adults died within 5 years. The men all had three first names, with many repeats in the names, and they changed which name they were called by, especially if a kid named Chistopher Frederick Johann would die, then his younger brother Frederick Johann Christopher would now go by Christopher! :he So I am still not confidant that I have the correct set of parents matched up with the orphan from whom I descend.

Anyway. It also depends on where your ancestors lived. The records that the puritans kept rocked! None of the family stories from that line made it down to me, but a crazy amount of info and stories and "the founders of our town" stuff was written down. All of the cool stories I know from those folks I found through ancestry. They have photos of original wills from the 17 hundreds and even some from the 16 hundreds. Many of the tiny towns had aldermen and recorded everything that happened. Truly everything.

Texas is more difficult, but they still recorded land transactions and the taxman made it to all of the more populated areas. I spent a crazy number of hours looking through land transactions and the tax roles, mostly on spools that need to be read by using these machines.... (The names of those things escape me... But the point is they are not on the internet, they were at a very large ancestry library in Houston).

Looking at the original documents is best because there are SO MANY transcription errors it is crazy. Also, until about 1900 no one spells their name the same from one year to the next. :idunno So you need to track location, number and name of kids, occupation etc. to make sure you are tracking the same oerson over time. Luckily ancestry has images of lots of original documents.

I still have two grandfathers that died in Texas and I can NOT find where they are buried! :he I spent all of those hours following the tax man to see if I could figure out exactly where they were when they died. I still can't find them. And one of them is that awesome dude that fought under napoleon.

Ancestry has the original images of the censuses. They ask different things different years, but some years the questions are stellar. Like "number of live births", " own your own home" "have a mortgage" "own a wagon and head of oxen". I also love the farm schedules. They list not just number of acres owned but how many chickens, bees, apple trees, kind of potatoes..etc. For livestock they listed how many they lost that year to rustling or predation. The info from the farm schedules are awesome.

You don't want to look just at the Federal census but the local census done by the state. Fun stuff.
 
Ah, during the recession they ask how many hours you are working, and I think how many days a week... That was interesting. I had an aunt working something like 60 hours a week and she was almost 90.
 
Chicki, we too are starting to see fall. Of course, having been blessed with near constant rain, heat has not been a problem. :rolleyes:


As to coffee oh WOWSERS!!!!!!


I went and socialized today (don't worry, I survived, still breathing and walking...), and met my friend at a coffee shop.

It is a new coffee shop and large with tall ceilings, it is clearly trying to be "big city fancy". So I went in, and I was pretty darn hungry. No one had cooked then served me food for lunch, so it being 2:30 already I was famished. I decided I wanted a "savory pesto hand pie" and a thing that looked like a cinnamon roll along with a fancy coffee.

Well.... Sheesh

It turned out the "hand pie" was full of all sorts of root veggies and hemp (the non-happy version), and was NOT tasty. The cinnamon roll thing wasn't good either. It tasted a bit stale, not sweet and it was more poppy and cardamon but almost no sugar. :sick (I do like cardamon...but only when used with sugar).

Then the coffee..... :rolleyes:

So, they hand me my coffee and I want to add sugar.

I stand there at the "doctor your coffee counter" and there is no obvious sugar. They have several different salt shakers with stuff in them. One of the shakers looks like sugar mixed with cinnamon. That one should be safe...right? Well it came out super slow, but looked right... So I then sat down and after praying I tasted it.

:barnie

It was salt with I think cayenne, not sugar with cinnamon.

Wowsers, but I impressively hate coffee with salt and cayenne... Just sayin.
 
Chicki, we too are starting to see fall. Of course, having been blessed with near constant rain, heat has not been a problem.
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As to coffee oh WOWSERS!!!!!!


I went and socialized today (don't worry, I survived, still breathing and walking...), and met my friend at a coffee shop.

It is a new coffee shop and large with tall ceilings, it is clearly trying to be "big city fancy". So I went in, and I was pretty darn hungry. No one had cooked then served me food for lunch, so it being 2:30 already I was famished. I decided I wanted a "savory pesto hand pie" and a thing that looked like a cinnamon roll along with a fancy coffee.

Well.... Sheesh

It turned out the "hand pie" was full of all sorts of root veggies and hemp (the non-happy version), and was NOT tasty. The cinnamon roll thing wasn't good either. It tasted a bit stale, not sweet and it was more poppy and cardamon but almost no sugar.
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(I do like cardamon...but only when used with sugar).

Then the coffee.....
roll.png


So, they hand me my coffee and I want to add sugar.

I stand there at the "doctor your coffee counter" and there is no obvious sugar. They have several different salt shakers with stuff in them. One of the shakers looks like sugar mixed with cinnamon. That one should be safe...right? Well it came out super slow, but looked right... So I then sat down and after praying I tasted it.

barnie.gif


It was salt with I think cayenne, not sugar with cinnamon.

Wowsers, but I impressively hate coffee with salt and cayenne... Just sayin.

They did not label the containers? It was like An.....



I might expect stuff like that in Berkeley California but Alaska?

 
Chicki, we too are starting to see fall. Of course, having been blessed with near constant rain, heat has not been a problem.
roll.png



As to coffee oh WOWSERS!!!!!!


I went and socialized today (don't worry, I survived, still breathing and walking...), and met my friend at a coffee shop.

It is a new coffee shop and large with tall ceilings, it is clearly trying to be "big city fancy". So I went in, and I was pretty darn hungry. No one had cooked then served me food for lunch, so it being 2:30 already I was famished. I decided I wanted a "savory pesto hand pie" and a thing that looked like a cinnamon roll along with a fancy coffee.

Well.... Sheesh

It turned out the "hand pie" was full of all sorts of root veggies and hemp (the non-happy version), and was NOT tasty. The cinnamon roll thing wasn't good either. It tasted a bit stale, not sweet and it was more poppy and cardamon but almost no sugar.
sickbyc.gif
(I do like cardamon...but only when used with sugar).

Then the coffee.....
roll.png


So, they hand me my coffee and I want to add sugar.

I stand there at the "doctor your coffee counter" and there is no obvious sugar. They have several different salt shakers with stuff in them. One of the shakers looks like sugar mixed with cinnamon. That one should be safe...right? Well it came out super slow, but looked right... So I then sat down and after praying I tasted it.

barnie.gif


It was salt with I think cayenne, not sugar with cinnamon.

Wowsers, but I impressively hate coffee with salt and cayenne... Just sayin.

Nooooooo! Your first decent cup o' joe all week & it had salt & cayenne??? That's just cruel!
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Plus you can probably forget about passing any drug tests with all that hemp & poppy in your food.
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Wow you guys were a talkative bunch today.

I did nothing to get community service other than volunteering to do it because I find it interesting and I don't give back to my community as much as I'd like to (or used to before I moved to Maine). And for the most part I prefer dead people to live ones.

I learned a lot today.

Stone rubbing is now "forbidden" - it can damage the stone (wear and tear) and you can get better information from simple gentle cleaning and/or using a mirror and camera. The mirror method is fun and very effective - get a cheap "closet" long mirror and bring it with you. Shine the sunlight onto the face of the stone - about a 45 or less angle and it will really light the inscription/carving up to take a picture which you can then also play with the lighting on to get better than you'd ever get on a rubbing. This is best done with 2 people... bring someone to hold your mirror.

Cleaning the stone can be done in 2 gentle ways. First you need a very gentle nylon brush (think veggie or dish scrubber) and a garden spray bucket (gentle, from TSC). Fill the sprayer with regular water. Spray the stone (gently, and you don't need to soak it but you do need to get it all wet). Start on the back (non engraved side) at the bottom and scrub circular motion gently up to the top. Do the sides and top, then work on the stone face, bottoms up. Don't let it dry, and spray to continue to clean your brush. If the stone moves at all when you touch it or starts to break/wear off (think sugar cube) STOP. Also don't let it dry on the stone, keep it wet. The second way is to spray a 50:50 of a substance called D2 and water. D2 is kinda expensive but goes a long way. D2 is a bio-cide and it kills anything growing on the stone face, but takes 6 months to do so. So you spray it on, let it sit about 5 minutes, then rinse with water from the gentle sprayer. That's it, no scrubbing needed. Wait 6 months. You can combine the 2 methods - first D2, then rinse and water scrub. Only as the stone tolerates. First, do no harm. Don't ever use anything other than plan water and/or D2.

Here's a couple stones me and my partner cleaned, just with water and a soft bristle brush (before and after). BF noted how long it had to have taken us based upon the sun in the pictures. While he was correct that this isn't quick, we also dug out and reset Polly's footstone (it was broken off and someone shoved it back in backwards and it was all crooked - note use the cheap plastic trowels not the metal ones so you don't damage the stone and remember only free dig up small stuff - the big stones weigh hundreds of pounds - we'll be using the tripod and wood to brace those tomorrow to dig/straighten).

Before and the stone is barely legible:


After (note how clear the rose is)


Footstone broken off


Footstone placed back in the correct orientation (headstone facing out, body, footstone facing out) as confirmed because we dug down to the broken part and cleaned with water/scrubbing


before


after


And yes, Al, to get in the cracks you use a wooden tongue depressor or a toothbrush.

As far as the stone that broke off, we will be doing that tomorrow (but talked about it today). Basically it depends on what the break looks like, what the stone looks like and what the remaining base looks like. There's a few options. If there's no base and the stone can go into the ground (about 1/3 of it should be in the ground) without covering the inscription, then you just reset it straight in. If there's a base and the base is salvageable you use a lime based epoxy to reset it in. If there's no base you build one - mostly concrete. To make an area for the stone to set in you cut a piece of styrofoam (the thickest insulation) to a bit deeper and longer than the base and push that into the concrete, centered. You then set it that way with the base buried. There's other things to think about, of course, like whether the stone was pinned in previously and whether you should remove the pins. I'll let you know more when I know more and I'll share with the group as long as some find this interesting.

For the person with the abandoned NY cemetery, you should look at having the town hire this guy for a workshop. The town we're working in hauled in a port a john, 500 lbs of dirt and a water truck for us, plus paid this guy (to drive from his home town of NY) to come teach/lead us. He is Joe Ferrannini of Hoosick Falls, NY and his company is called Grave Stone Matters. I'd imagine he's closer to you than me.

I think that's everything to comment on.
 
good gosh that is so very interesting I was only sewing this is really cool
how did you get involved in this you talk volunteer but what lead to this?
 

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