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@microchick, may I pick your brain a bit on apples?

The wild apple trees we have may have been part of an orchard at one time, or just a family farm, since there was a farm here. I don't know what kind they may have been.

They are very small to small, most being baseball sized or less. Lots of worm and coddling moth (I think) damage. I cut them into bits for my husband to add to pancakes. The pieces are really too small to dry; they'd dry down to nothing. Apple sauce is a possibility, but still way more work than buying a bushel at the end of the season at the farm market.

So... what do you do to limit the insect damage? Anything at all? Are there organic treatments of any kind that I could use to get better quality?

We have planted 3 apple trees closer to home, and I would like to hope that we get better quality from them.
I don't know if there is an answer to that, Sally, at least not from our experience. We had a LOT of problems with our orchard early on in the form of fire blight that killed off about half of our trees. We sprayed with what the extension office suggested we use, copper and I can't say that it really helped anything at all.

What we discovered is that if we stay away from the hybrid trees and stay with the 'heirloom' varieties, golden delicious, red delicious, candy crisp for example, we get good production and have less problem with insect damage, simply because of the abundance of apples we get from three trees in particular..

The yellow delicous tends to be a poor producer but does give us about a dozen apples every other year that are 'okay' without spraying. They will have problems with black spot and gall but since I usually eat them right away and peel them before eating due to the fragility of my teeth, I can overlook the flaws in them.

You mentioned wild apples? Do these look like miniature red delicious apples? The reason I ask is that we had a tree that succumbed to fire blight that resprouted from it's root stock. Out of curiosity I let the sproutings grow and this year much to my surprise after I cut back the smaller sprouts and left the largest, it bloomed and produced what I can only describe as little miniature red delicous apples that are smaller than a tennis ball. We taste tested one of the apples and sure enough, they taste like red delicious apples and have the same skin and meat texture.

I've tried to identify the root stock but haven't had any luck. I'm going to let it grow and see what happens as heirloom fruit trees seem to be healthier and while the fruit on the 'wild' varieties isn't as large as the regular fruit, you don't have to fuss with them as much.

My best advice is to plant heirloom trees and if you want to spray, spray with organic sprays. Look at Captain Jack products. We used his organic copper spray 5 years ago on our trees when we were trying to save them and we have also used another of his sprays in the past when we had a blackberry arbor with some success in dealing with fruit flies.

Frankly, we just got to the point where we recognized that trees, like chickens were going to die if they set their minds to it and that was when we stopped spraying them. Plus we got aware of the potential toxic effects of the sprays we were using.

So if you want pretty apples, spray with organic and plant heirloom trees. If you just want apples for pies, applesauce and table use, then plant trees with large production factors and hardiness..once again, the heirloom trees such as red delicious, Jonathon, candy crisp, etc.
 
You mentioned wild apples? Do these look like miniature red delicious apples?
No, if I had to guess, I'd say the look more like a Macintosh. The trees are probably 50 or more years old.

Look at Captain Jack products.
I will do that! I've seen them at the independent feed store where I get my chicken feed.

Thank you, I really appreciate you time and expertise. Hopefully next year, I'll get some apples that I won't be afraid to bite into, without cutting it up first.
 
Woot, got another big section of the upper flower/veggie garden weeded this morning. Still waiting on things to dry out a bit, but pulling weeds is much easier when the ground (sandy loam) is moist like it is now.
In other news, I'm 99% sure I spotted baby jay late yesterday. A big group of jays was passing by, and one left the group to land in the small mimosa tree out back. One of baby jay's favorite spots when he was first going outside to play. I watched him go from Mimosa to Pecan (another of his favs) to the branches of the big oak over the house, then off he went with the group. My how he's grown into such a big fella, and so majestic now. It brought tears to my eyes, that he came back to visit and let me see him.
 
They are very small to small, most being baseball sized or less.
:lau

HUGE! Baseballs are HUGE!!!


I used to have fruit trees....

Anyway, our apple crab limped along for years until the goats finished her off. Her apples were the size of half a baseball. Tasty though.

Before that we had a different kind, even smaller apples... but bigger than crabapples... those were tart but still good fresh.. the snow pulled down the top rail of the fence on the far side of the coop where I didn't see it. In a single night a moose walked in and ate both trees down to nubs.
 
In other news...

We just got the DNA results for Freya. She is 30-40% Lab (we could guess that), 30-40% Shepherd, and 20-30% Boxer!

All of which are listed as growing to 50+ pounds. Right now, she's at 43 pounds, so maybe she will get bigger.

She is 1000% loveable, and loved.
You may have shared already..photos?? I used to rescue. Miss having different kind of breeds and mixes in my home every so often. It was was fun.
 

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