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The couple two times I've lost mature large hens to raptors (most likely Red Tails, maybe possibly Cooper's or Sharp Shinned) they ate the heads and crops before leaving. I hear they will come back later, but I put bodies in my composter before that happened.

I also had a young pullet vanish, and I suspect a hawk flew away with her.
 
The couple two times I've lost mature large hens to raptors (most likely Red Tails, maybe possibly Cooper's or Sharp Shinned) they ate the heads and crops before leaving. I hear they will come back later, but I put bodies in my composter before that happened.
I also had a young pullet vanish, and I suspect a hawk flew away with her.


I guess I just have to get past this desire to try to protect them and let them live their brief lives in happy freeranging bliss.
 
Bee would you freerange or keep your chickens penned up during "hawk season" if you didn't have a guard/farm dog?
I struggle because I want to let them freerange, but I don't want to lose my whole flock to migratory hawks. Any idea how much a hawk eat at one attack? The one I chased off my dead 10 week old silkie chick tried to carry the chick away but dropped it. That hawk was a good foot or foot & half tall.

Yes, I would. The key is having breeds that are more conducive to free range survival. Putting silkies on free range or in an open topped run is like ringing the dinner bell and hollering, "Y'all come and get it... and wipe yer feet before you come in this house!" Same with Buff Orps...too heavy and too docile to really do what it takes to survive.

Strong, wary, flighty(this is not breed specific) and started as chicks with clear areas of duck and cover and the physical ability to evade hawks. I never stoop over my birds to pick them up~this gets them used to ducking down or squatting when a shadow from above approaches. When you folks start this when your chicks are little by handling them a lot, you are conditioning them to do the same when stooped upon by a hawk. I only work my birds off the roost at night and very infrequently even then. They need to think that everyone and everything is a predator out to get them before they are suitably flighty enough to free range. The older birds will teach the younger birds this level of wariness.

Using dual purpose breeds are also a hawk deterrent...too big to effectively carry away to safety and have their feast. This leaves them out in the open trying to eat a chicken. Now, I don't know how it is around your country but hawks are just as wary about free ranging here as the chickens are. Hillbillies don't care about federal laws and they love to shoot things....anything. Hawks are very, very wary out in these parts. I can see why hawks are not so wary in the burbs and outlying areas...no rednecks picking them off for fun.
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Also, you need to think of feeding....when birds are overfed they are slow. When they are constantly full of free choice feed, their free ranging isn't very active and they stand around a lot or peck lazily at the ground. They are not moving from area to area with the express purpose of feeding. I wish you all could watch my flock during the day...they all flock together(safety in numbers) and they run through all the open spaces during this season when they don't usually in other times of the year. They RUN, wings flapping, to get to the other side of open range and to get to the shelter of buildings, woodlines, trees, etc.

They have a certain times in which they graze out in the open(usually early morning and right before dusk) but they do so in a very fast and wary way and will jump and run at the slightest call from the rooster.

And these are birds that have never known hawk predation in their lives...never saw any of their number picked off by a hawk or eagle. Imagine how flighty they would be if that actually happened?

I am their natural selection...I cull any birds unfit for an active, free ranged life. This leaves a flock that doesn't have to worry about stragglers, loners, or slow birds attracting hawks to their location. I cull all the fat and docile birds/breeds. I cull all the too small, the too slow, the lonely hearts and wallflowers. What I have left behind are tough, flighty, fast and good flockers...they know how to stick close to the rooster and respond to his alert calls and will even call out alerts themselves.

It's a bird eat bird world out there and only the tough and smart survive. This is why we shake our heads at folks who buy and raise breeds unsuitable to free ranging, then pet them into domestic docility, then try to "let them out in the evenings to free range".....these birds are completely and totally unprepared for surviving even small amounts of free ranging because everything has been stacked against them. These are the very same folks who claim it is cruel and unsafe for others to free range because when they tried it, it was horribly unsuccessful.
 
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When you southerners think it's cold we are out in shirt sleeves and shorts, so it's no wonder folks down south want to heat their coops in the winter and the northern folks all just throw plastic on the windows of the coop and say, "There ya go, girls, all snug for the winter. Sleep tight!"
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I always advise folks who want to heat their coops to first go and buy down coats and overalls, put them on, then sit inside by the fire for a bit and see how comfy it is. If you get too hot sitting by the heat in your down clothing, so will your birds. God gave them an excellent way to stay warm and we can't get any better than that.
Believe me---I know I couldn't cut it for a northern winter!!! I have dear friend that's in vet school at Auburn U. She's from Canada. I talked with her this morning and asked what she was wearing---jeans and t shirt with no jacket! This morning, I was out doing chores in thermal britches under sweats and my big barn coat (and flip-flops that's a Southern Thing too) and fussing to my husband that this weekend we are buying some insulated water proof gloves for filling waterers in the morning! (I don't care how much they cost!)

I have to share a mean thing I did this morning. Though it did prove your fact of how toasty my girls are under all those lovely feathers.
My hands were so cold they were burning after doing waterers and I went to check for eggs. One of my pudgy layers came over for a pet and some scratch. I wiggled my ice cold fingers under her feathers to her skin and she jumped and bawked at me!
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I had the biggest giggle fit! Oh but she was so snuggly under there!

(For the record, Emily from Canada nearly died---literally from heat stroke---this summer on one of those 104 degree and 100% humidity days. My husband and I cleared an acre of saplings with only brush axes that same day. She was just walking across campus.)
 
Hi all,
Newbie here, this being my first year. I was intrigued by this amazing thread and started my FF about two weeks ago. It's been smelling very nice and yeasty and the hens have really been digging in! (I have 4 for now.) Yesterday I noticed the odor changed and it's not pleasant. I added a couple glugs of the Braggs hoping today would be better, but it's still kind of gross. I don't know if I should dump it all or add something else. I hate to throw out all that food, but I also don't want to make them sick. I'm not sure what the problem might be. I keep it in the laundry room so it stays fairly warm. Should I still give it to them and hope if it's bad they won't eat it? Or just dump it all and start over?
 
Yes, I would.  The key is having breeds that are more conducive to free range survival.  Putting silkies on free range or in an open topped run is like ringing the dinner bell and hollering, "Y'all come and get it... and wipe yer feet before you come in this house!"  Same with Buff Orps...too heavy and too docile to really do what it takes to survive. 

Strong, wary, flighty(this is not breed specific) and started as chicks with clear areas of duck and cover and the physical ability to evade hawks.  I never stoop over my birds to pick them up~this gets them used to ducking down or squatting when a shadow from above approaches.   When you folks start this when your chicks are little by handling them a lot, you are conditioning them to do the same when stooped upon by a hawk.  I only work my birds off the roost at night and very infrequently even then.  They need to think that everyone and everything is a predator out to get them before they are suitably flighty enough to free range.  The older birds will teach the younger birds this level of wariness. 

Using dual purpose breeds are also a hawk deterrent...too big to effectively carry away to safety and have their feast.  This leaves them out in the open trying to eat a chicken.  Now, I don't know how it is around your country but hawks are just as wary about free ranging here as the chickens are.  Hillbillies don't care about federal laws and they love to shoot things....anything.  Hawks are very, very wary out in these parts.  I can see why hawks are not so wary in the burbs and outlying areas...no rednecks picking them off for fun.  :D  

Also, you need to think of feeding....when birds are overfed they are slow.  When they are constantly full of free choice feed, their free ranging isn't very active and they stand around a lot or peck lazily at the ground.  They are not moving from area to area with the express purpose of feeding.  I wish you all could watch my flock during the day...they all flock together(safety in numbers) and they run through all the open spaces during this season when they don't usually in other times of the year.  They RUN, wings flapping, to get to the other side of open range and to get to the shelter of buildings, woodlines, trees, etc. 

They have a certain times in which they graze out in the open(usually early morning and right before dusk) but they do so in a very fast and wary way and will jump and run at the slightest call from the rooster. 

And these are birds that have never known hawk predation in their lives...never saw any of their number picked off by a hawk or eagle.  Imagine how flighty they would be if that actually happened? 

I am their natural selection...I cull any birds unfit for an active, free ranged life.  This leaves a flock that doesn't have to worry about stragglers, loners, or slow birds attracting hawks to their location.  I cull all the fat and docile birds/breeds.  I cull all the too small, the too slow, the lonely hearts and wallflowers.  What I have left behind are tough, flighty, fast and good flockers...they know how to stick close to the rooster and respond to his alert calls and will even call out alerts themselves. 

It's a bird eat bird world out there and only the tough and smart survive.  This is why we shake our heads at folks who buy and raise breeds unsuitable to free ranging, then pet them into domestic docility, then try to "let them out in the evenings to free range".....these birds are completely and totally unprepared for surviving even small amounts of free ranging because everything has been stacked against them.   These are the very same folks who claim it is cruel and unsafe for others to free range because when they tried it, it was horribly unsuccessful. 


Okay thanks. I will keep that in mind as I replace this flock. My original goal was chickens as pets, but now I've come to understand more the nature of chickens and no longer see them the same way. My next flock will be dual purpose with a goal of eggs and meat for my family.

I don't know that I will do away with my silkies as they make good broodies to hatch and raise my DP flock, but I suppose I will have to pen them or expect losses.
 
Hi all,
Newbie here, this being my first year. I was intrigued by this amazing thread and started my FF about two weeks ago. It's been smelling very nice and yeasty and the hens have really been digging in! (I have 4 for now.) Yesterday I noticed the odor changed and it's not pleasant. I added a couple glugs of the Braggs hoping today would be better, but it's still kind of gross. I don't know if I should dump it all or add something else. I hate to throw out all that food, but I also don't want to make them sick. I'm not sure what the problem might be. I keep it in the laundry room so it stays fairly warm. Should I still give it to them and hope if it's bad they won't eat it? Or just dump it all and start over?

Could you describe "kinda gross"...that can mean so many things to so many people? What you could be smelling is true fermentation, which has a little bit of funk to it but is just a deeper, more complete fermentation.
 
:lol:   When you southerners think it's cold we are out in shirt sleeves and shorts, so it's no wonder folks down south want to heat their coops in the winter and the northern folks all just throw plastic on the windows of the coop and say, "There ya go, girls, all snug for the winter.  Sleep tight!"  :gig

I always advise folks who want to heat their coops to first go and buy down coats and overalls, put them on, then sit inside by the fire for a bit and see how comfy it is.  If you get too hot sitting by the heat in your down clothing, so will your birds.  God gave them an excellent way to stay warm and we can't get any better than that. 

 
Waaal... I'll admit to putting on a sweatshirt this morning when I went out to do chicken chores here in SC. ;)

I also put on some shoes, as I recall.... :lau
 
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