The road less traveled...back to good health! They have lice, mites, scale mites, worms, anemia, gl

[armorfirelady]

Can anyone tell me why ACV and Aluminium don't mix? I know it leaches toxins, but so does plastic apparently

I want to create a feeder like Bee's, but there isn't any gutters that are coated here, and no 4 inch PVC in our stores (not to mention I don't want to use a skill saw to make it!)

How about a rectangular container of some sorts? Like a plastic shoe box? Im trying to think of something else that would work that maybe you have in your neck of the woods ......

 

[aoxa]

Metallic aluminum has an aluminum oxide layer on the surface which protects it from most chemical reactions, hence, it does not react with vinegar. Apple cider vinegar even less. Tomatoes have a higher reaction and can pit the pans and cause discoloration.

Seriously??

http://www.homedepot.ca/product/gutter-5-in-x-10-ft-white/907484
So I can use this?

I sure hope so. I don't want to get the plastic.. I wanted coated like Bee, but they don't have any!

 

[delisha]

I did not know plastic would leach. Shoot I have 4 large plastic waterers that I have been using with ACV for quite a while.

 

[aoxa]

Can anyone tell me why ACV and Aluminium don't mix? I know it leaches toxins, but so does plastic apparently


I want to create a feeder like Bee's, but there isn't any gutters that are coated here, and no 4 inch PVC in our stores (not to mention I don't want to use a skill saw to make it!)

How about a rectangular container of some sorts? Like a plastic shoe box? Im trying to think of something else that would work that maybe you have in your neck of the woods ......

I want something they can't step in. I am using dish pans of some sort right now. They step all through it

 

[delisha]

wonder if I am poisoning my birds.

 

[aoxa]

Delisha,

You asked me on one of my albums what breed my dog is. Not sure which one you mean?

I have a Corgi x Black Lab x Beagle
I have a Miniature Poodle
I have a Maremma x Great Pyrenees

 

[delisha]

Quote: I want something they can't step in. I am using dish pans of some sort right now. They step all through it

Any chance you have one of them dish stackers? You could use one of them over a container. Or place chicken wire over the pans you are using.

 

[aoxa]

Can anyone tell me why ACV and Aluminium don't mix? I know it leaches toxins, but so does plastic apparently



I want to create a feeder like Bee's, but there isn't any gutters that are coated here, and no 4 inch PVC in our stores (not to mention I don't want to use a skill saw to make it!)

How about a rectangular container of some sorts? Like a plastic shoe box? Im trying to think of something else that would work that maybe you have in your neck of the woods ......

I want something they can't step in. I am using dish pans of some sort right now. They step all through it

Any chance you have one of them dish stackers? You could use one of them over a container. Or place chicken wire over the pans you are using.

Well, I thought I could run the gutters along the wall and make a big long feeder that saved room.

The bowls freeze easily and when you try to get the frozen stuff out, it cracks.

 

[maggiemo]

Now fast-forward to the gnarly bunch. When you found them they were on the "starved" end of things. Their bodies were depleted - much like coming out of lean winter. Then they began to eat... and good picken's too...

I'm thinking that their bodies are on the rebound and they'll balance out given time. I think its likely their bodies attempts to store up for lean times and once they adjust to having year-round, ample food, things will balance out and they'll return to a normal appetite and fat levels.

Whatdaya think?


ETA: This isn't to say that you shouldn't reduce feed a bit for the winter...that would make sense in the "real" cycles of life.

I keep going back to Bee's original post where she said;"From the initial assessment I have found : Lice, mites, scale mites, gleet, possible(very likely) intestinal parasite infestation, excessive feather loss and damage, overgrown toenails, bare skin with redness, swelling and scaling. I've found a few birds with swollen abdomens. Almost all of them are severely anemic...I'm talking white beaks, legs, wattles, facial skin, vents. They have low energy, weakness, dull and listless eyes, diarrhea and a hunched stance when they stand and little enthusiasm when presented with food and fresh vegetables. Several are in severe molt and are attempting feather regrowth. Almost all of them show malnourishment, though I know they were fed well...all keel bones are prominent and only one of the hens has her normal weight and feathering that they would have at this time of the year."

Bee's original post was on 9-19-2012. I just can't believe (or can I?) that those chickens got THAT fat in a couple of short months under Bee's care.
I guess, more spacifically what I am having a problem with is trying to translate what Bee does to what I am doing with my flock. I am starting to think that I should cut back on fermented food too...cause Bee is...and I should not free feed...cause Bee doesn't. But my flock isn't fat, is laying fine. Should I assume my flock will end up fat? Or is the GB a unique study group?

 

[delisha]

a few pictures to give you an idea..