Third illness in same chicken over a year. Please help!

neragera

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Hello everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster. This is Matilda, just a few weeks ago:

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She is getting sick, again. This is the third time she has begun showing the same symptoms over the course of about one year. She is about five years old, a bantam cochin, weighing just over 2lbs (though her max and best weight I would say is closer to just over 3lbs). Her only symptoms right now are lethargy - the droopy eyes - though today I think she has stopped eating, just like the previous two times she was sick. No one else is showing any symptoms.

The first time she was sick, she was broody for a looong time and I thought it was just malnutrition. I fed and watered her manually, giving her poly vi sol, and she recovered fully. She was emaciated, her balance was gone, she could barely walk. She was near death but she recovered. Several months passed and then she started deteriorating again. I caught it earlier, and this time she wasn't broody, so I knew it wasn't simply malnutrition. I took her to the vet, he gave me fenbendazole to treat broadly for worms and something else, metacam I think?. I did so, and found what I believe was a roundworm in her poop in the following days, but only one. I fed and watered her manually for something like three months this time, but she recovered in the end. She's been healthy for a few months now and in the past two weeks she has been slowing down again. The droopy eyes, just generally lethargic. But she's been eating and drinking and pooping normally, until today. I came home and her crop was empty. I made her some mash with poly vi, which she loves, and she nibbled but clearly had no appetite.

When she was nibbling on her mash, she was making some odd noises. Or rather, there were odd noises coming from inside her. Little pops, almost like when your stomach is growling. I've never heard it from any chicken so it struck me as odd.

Over the weekend I found a mite on her. One mite. I've checked everyone and haven't found any others, but I'm sure I saw the one. Looked like a Northern Fowl Mite to me. So I've been treating them all with DE under the wings and around the vent for a few days now. I treated the coop with liquid permethrin in case of Chicken Mites (even though the coop is whitewashed on the inside). I've replaced all the bedding in the coop (which is sand) in the past week. I'm generous with DE and SweetPDZ in the coop and run. I've also been dipping their legs in oil in case of Scaly Leg Mites, which two of them look like they could have. When I found the mite on Matilda, I noticed some kind of inflammation and scab around her vent. It doesn't look like excrement from mites (which I can't find anywhere on her). I've attached a picture but it's not very good I think, there's a lot of DE around and on the spot that is inflamed and scabbed.

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I did some research when she started showing symptoms again, believing maybe it could be worms, again. I found out that the dosage the vet gave me for fendbendazole was wrong (city vet), and so Matilda got HALF the dose she should have for her weight. I bought Merck's Goat Dewormer (fenbendazole 100mg/ml, the same concentration the vet prescribed) and have treated the whole flock based on their appropriate weights at a dose of .25ml/pound. I've gone through the first five days and I'm in the ten day window between starting the second round of five days.

I really thought that having done all this she would have started to get a little stronger, but today she is definitively worse. I didn't force feed her, but let her go to bed with a mostly empty (and very soft) crop, but feel that tomorrow I will have to feed her myself. She has no energy, and just hangs her head and stands around. I've been giving her extra attention and love these days. I know she's strong and wants to get better but I feel she could be giving up. Please, if anyone has any advice, I know she's older but I'm not ready to lose her.
 
Welcome to BYC.
I am sorry she is not feeling so well.

Couple of questions.
The first time you treated for worms..did you treat the whole flock?

Did the vet tell you to treat for 5 straight days?
Are you dosing them straight to the beak?


DE will not get rid of mites. It is best to stick with the permethrin which can be used on the birds too. DE can irritate the skin too.

Mites usually only come on the bird at night so double check them all again tonight when they go to roost..with a flash light.
They can suck the life right out of a bird.

Between mites and worms they can go down hill pretty fast, especially if they have had either or both for a long time.

If she is not drinking and eating now would be a good time to tube feed her.
 
Yes, the vet told me to treat for 5 days, wait 10 days, treat again for 5 days.
I did not treat the whole flock that time, but I have now done so.

And yes, I dose them orally. Sometimes I put the dose on a piece of bread and let them eat it but sometimes some of them don't want it and I have to give it orally.

I'll check them all for mites in a bit. I didn't know DE doesn't work on mites! I have some powdered permethrin but I've hesitated to use it in favor of DE. I'll start using it. Thank you for that!!
 
Trash the DE..it will do more harm than good.

Even though you have not seen worms she may never have gotten rid of them from the first time.
My guess would be the worms are/have been eating all her good nutrition.
Can you take some fresh poop back to the vet tomorrow morning?

She must have water or she will go down hill very fast.
 
Trash the DE. Got it.

I can get to the vet tomorrow afternoon. Can they test for worms from the poop?

I treated the whole flock for worms last week, the 10th - 14th, with a proper dose and she has only deteriorated since then. If it were worms, after all this time, somebody else should have gotten them and shown symptoms, right? Everyone else is healthy as can be.

I'll water her tonight and permethrin when I check for mites.
 
Yes...you can bring JUST some fresh poop into the vet's office to be tested for worms.

Most of the time you will never see worms even when they are infected with them.
(hence the poop test at the vet)

Sometimes only the already "weak" ones are the ones that can't naturally (how ever they do it) fight off the worms and or mites.

(I'm guessing she is weak because she has already done so downhill in the past.)

There is never just one mite.
I'm going to say that you might have a mite problem and they could be sucking the life out of her the most because she the "weaker" chicken.

I would guess that it is a worm and mite combo problem.
 
Ok, I just checked everyone, very thoroughly, for mites. I checked under each wing, around the vent, back of their necks, and their breasts. No signs of any mites, eggs on the feather shafts, or excrement.

I gave Matilda some water and she nibbled a bit at her mash. I put permethrin under her wings and around her vent.

Given that Matilda has been treated for worms twice now (even though the first time was the wrong dosage and we're only half way through this next treatment), and that no one else shows symptoms, and no one has signs of a mite infestation, any other ideas of things I could be proactive about? I'll take a poop sample to the vet as soon as I can, tomorrow hopefully.

I took another picture of the scab & inflammation on her vent. Any thoughts on this?

matilda_vent2.jpg
 
Just lurking on this thread. Wish I could help Kimisgirls gave some advice that sounds good to me.
If she is not eating, I would offer her anything to spark her appetite. Do you have access to meal worms?

Yes, I bought a big bag just the other day. She ate some when I threw some out for everyone, but not nearly as vigourously as she normally would. I give her some with her mash when I have to water her. It helps a bit.
 

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