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Evadig said:
17 December

546 - Ostrogoths under King Totila capture Rome. He bribed a Roman garrison (which was manned by mercenaries) to let him into the city and proceeded to plunder. He was a Christian, so unlike other captures of Rome, most of the population was not murdered.
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I like your broad defintion of Christian there 😋 the church's isnt so broad.
 
AGeese said:
Hope I didn't offend anyone. I have been aquinted with one Arian Christian in my lifetime who chose that for himself. I don't think there's ever been a tradition though. Someone correct me!
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I don't think there is any offense taken! The way I was taught is that many of the denominations had a special revelation of Christ to share, and disputes arose when the focus got on manmade organizing rather than Christ. Recently read Foxe's Book of Martyrs and wow, there has been much good - and bad under the pretense of good - occurring across the church history from Roman times even to today.
 
kcan2 said:
I don't think there is any offense taken! The way I was taught is that many of the denominations had a special revelation of Christ to share, and disputes arose when the focus got on manmade organizing rather than Christ. Recently read Foxe's Book of Martyrs and wow, there has been much good - and bad under the pretense of good - occurring across the church history from Roman times even to today.
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I agree with you on people receiving special revelations I'm no hardliner by any means. Rather than organizing, the disputes as I see it were over Christology that isn't trinitarian a.k.a heresy.

All mainstream denominations of Protestants are trinitarian as well as Catholic and Orthodox. The problem with organizing/primacy, and some word play account for the divisions of the church now.

The early martyrs are shared between the Catholics and Protestants and Orthodox so they would not be considered heretics which were persecuted under the Roman empire. The Protestants take it a step further recounting their own sufferings under the Roman church much later.

One day we'll all get along 😌
 
AGeese said:
Hope I didn't offend anyone. I have been aquinted with one Arian Christian in my lifetime who chose that for himself. I don't think there's ever been a tradition though. Someone correct me!
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No offense at all :)!
If you mean a tradition of Arianism there was a whole heresy back in the 300s. Basically, they believed Jesus wasn't God.

I didn't know there were any Arians anymore.
kcan2 said:
Recently read Foxe's Book of Martyrs and wow, there has been much good - and bad under the pretense of good - occurring across the church history from Roman times even to today.
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I read Foxe's Book of Martyrs a couple years ago (as a Catholic) and it was very interesting, especially (from the Catholic perspective) the 1500s where Catholics and Protestants would routinely persecute each other.
 
19 December

1776 - Thomas Paine publishes The American Crisis, beginning with what are hopefully still these famous lines:
"THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman".
Full text of The American Crisis:
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/american-crisis?ms=email9241203

1907 - 239 coalminers - men and boys - die in the Darr Mine Disaster in Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania, when the mine explodes due to unknown causes.
More information here: https://explorepahistory.com/hmarker.php?markerId=1-A-2C7
 
Evadig said:
No offense at all :)!
If you mean a tradition of Arianism there was a whole heresy back in the 300s. Basically, they believed Jesus wasn't God.

I didn't know there were any Arians anymore.

I read Foxe's Book of Martyrs a couple years ago (as a Catholic) and it was very interesting, especially (from the Catholic perspective) the 1500s where Catholics and Protestants would routinely persecute each other.
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Yeah none since then unless you count Jehovah's Witnessess. I think there's a lot of people who could qualify as Arians these days. Have you read The Roman Martyrology?

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AGeese said:
Yeah none since then unless you count Jehovah's Witnessess. I think there's a lot of people who could qualify as Arians these days. Have you read The Roman Martyrology?

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No, I haven’t read it myself, but at one of my previous parishes, the priest would read the day’s saints before his homily.
 

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