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Like ropo, I am a little puzzled by this.
Once an incredibly knowledgeable theologian was having a conversation with us about miracles. One person broke in and said, 'I don't believe in miracles, I believe in hard work'. The theologian said, 'What do you think miracles are from? They're from hard work!'
It doesn't completely make sense to me. I am also a little doubtful that it is exactly as presented. As presented, a profoundly disabled person suddenly was able to type out her thoughts and the thoughts seem to be exactly what a parent would wish more than anything in the world.
However, the typing reads nothing like any autistic person I've ever heard or read express him or herself in any way, shape or form. It reads like it is written by a non autistic person. There is none of the special interests or 'concrete' use of language I expect, and then there is the very natural sort of sentence structure. That is what I find most puzzling. It is also puzzling that she generally types very slowly, even over some hours. I'm not sure what to make of that, but it increases the potential for prompting and suggests it is not done with great fluency or spontanaiety.
Her spelling, punctuation and wording does seem to get cleaned up for the presentation. That makes me uncomfortable. I'd rather see her original typing. I'd also like to see more clearly how much and what type of prompting goes on.
In a lot of the training autistic children get, they learn to make 'canned' responses. They often repeat these. For example, my favorite boy often said, 'Howareyou' but he was TAUGHT to say 'howareyou' and he didn't understand other people's feelings of gratefulness or reciprocity in conversation.
Recently, there has been an effort to move beyond the sort of 'howareyoufine' training and there has been a larger emphasis on teaching autistic young adults 'how other people feel'. This is very very difficult for many of them. A friend of mine has her son in a sort of 'empathy-relationships' training where he gets a lot of practice in how other people feel, and how his actions make them feel. It's extremely difficult for him to understand other people, and he is very, very high functioning.
The dream and hope of almost every autistic child's parents is that somehow, inside, there is a 'normal child' that is 'trying to get out'. Trying to find a way to communicate.
After spending much of my life around autistic children and adults, I do not feel that there is a 'normal child inside', but an autistic child inside, whose perception, thinking and feeling is different in profound ways from neurotypical people. I think some of their frustration results from not being able to ask for things or tell others when they feel ill or upset.
My wish for them is that they be happy and safe and adjust to whatever sort of life makes the most sense for them. A profoundly affected person cannot live independently and earn a living, but I also think it is a shame if a mildly affected person is prevented from being as autonomous and independent as he can be. I would like for every child to get as much training as this child in this video got. And I'd like for every autistic child or person to be in a safe, secure environment where they can become as much as they can be.
" were in fact instilled into her psyche and one day it all came together for her. The computer was a vessel that allowed her to have a voice "
I don't believe that people have a psyche, and I don't believe that things 'come together' in this way.
I have absolutely zero belief in facilitated communication. It has already been completely debunked. People who have promoted it should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
The parents say this has no similarity to facilitated communication. However, in several videos of them, I did see someone prompting her as to what letters to type. So I don't think all of it is completely her own indepenent thoughts. How much of it is her thoughts and how much it has been shaped by someone else, I can't say.
The words, however, are not really what I would expect.
What happened with this child was that she had from the time she was 2 years old, ABA, PECS and tons and tons of other training, and eventually, she responded. She is proof that evidence based therapy, early intervention and hours and hours and hours of very highly trained therapists devoting themselves to working very, very hard with a child, can help.
She still is autistic. She STILL has very serious problems. She is still autistic.
She has impulses and has a lot of problems controlling her behavior. It appears that for her, it is difficult to form words and sounds with her mouth. Typing seems to give her an alternative to struggling with making sounds.
She is not unusual, which I think it seems very strange that she is made out to be completely unique in the world, I don't think she is.
An autistic boy I took care of, started talking at age 10, after years and years and years of full time therapy and training. It is simply that it takes these children much much longer to learn to communicate. He did not have as much trouble forming sounds as she does.
However, finding a way to communicate does NOT make autism 'go away'. This child and others like her are not 'cured' by finding a way to express their wants and needs. They may be mildly autistic or severely autistic, but they are still autistic. My boy learned to talk, but he did not learn to be not-autistic. And like this young lady he still had very, very severe behavior problems. One day, he ran across a street because he saw a bicycle he liked in a store widow. He was hit by a car and broke his leg and pelvis.
Personally, I have far less doubts about the originality of the content of speaking than typing, since typing can be assisted or prompted. Speaking can ALSO be prompted, but sometimes it's easier to tell that with speaking.
The autistic boy I took care of was considered to be mentally retarded as well.
I don't get what is the big deal with being designated 'Developmentally disabled'. Or 'developmentally delayed'. Nearly everyone who has autism has delays in some areas of development. A child who is ten and wearing diapers is developmentally delayed. A child who can't speak is developmentally delayed in acquiring expressive speech.
Even autistic savants often lack the ability to solve practical problems or stay safe in in unfamiliar situations. Often autistic people have some areas they are far more able at than others. Some can hear and understand language better than they can speak it (like Carly) and some of them have little trouble speaking but struggle to read.
Too, it's VERY common for autistic people to struggle with something for a long time and then seem to 'suddenly get it'. That's not unusual. For example a boy I worked with struggled for months to blow a feather by pursing his lips, then seemed to skip several steps and pronounce several sounds suddenly one day. it didn't matter. He still needed many more years to learn to speak fluidly so that people could understand him.
I am very, very concerned about the public's tendency to romanticize and distort autism into something it is not. There have been too many sappy movies and far, far too much misinformation spread about.
There is an absolute fascination with autistic savants, for example, even though there are very few of them, and even though the 'savant ability' seems to come at great, great cost, and other areas of thinking suffer.
The focus is all on 'how intelligent autistic children are'. Well the fact is that some autistic people appear to be very intelligent about certain things, but still have many difficulties. And a great many autistic children ARE in fact, seriously disabled, show little sign of ever being able to speak, and are profoundly developmentally delayed in many ways.
I've worked with adults who scratched themselves, attacked people, and spent the rest of their time screaming or rocking by themselves. I've taken care of adult autstics who were so severely self harming they had to be kept in restraints 23 hours a day to prevent them from doing terrible things to each other. I have hit, been bitten and defecated on.
There are some people that are so severely affected that they don't respond even to the most intensive teaching and training. For example the Greenfields spent years getting every kind of training they could for their son Noah, he remains without speech and very, very disabled. Fortunately many autistic children are not so disabled.
This child learned to communicate to some degree after years and years and years of very, very hard work. That is what this is about. Hard, hard work. I can't tell for sure exactly how much of her typing is her own, creative, original work, but it makes her family happy and that is the important thing. It's tough enough to have a child with a disability. Parents always worry what will become of their child after they are gone. If something cheers them in this long, long marathon, so be it.
Once an incredibly knowledgeable theologian was having a conversation with us about miracles. One person broke in and said, 'I don't believe in miracles, I believe in hard work'. The theologian said, 'What do you think miracles are from? They're from hard work!'
It doesn't completely make sense to me. I am also a little doubtful that it is exactly as presented. As presented, a profoundly disabled person suddenly was able to type out her thoughts and the thoughts seem to be exactly what a parent would wish more than anything in the world.
However, the typing reads nothing like any autistic person I've ever heard or read express him or herself in any way, shape or form. It reads like it is written by a non autistic person. There is none of the special interests or 'concrete' use of language I expect, and then there is the very natural sort of sentence structure. That is what I find most puzzling. It is also puzzling that she generally types very slowly, even over some hours. I'm not sure what to make of that, but it increases the potential for prompting and suggests it is not done with great fluency or spontanaiety.
Her spelling, punctuation and wording does seem to get cleaned up for the presentation. That makes me uncomfortable. I'd rather see her original typing. I'd also like to see more clearly how much and what type of prompting goes on.
In a lot of the training autistic children get, they learn to make 'canned' responses. They often repeat these. For example, my favorite boy often said, 'Howareyou' but he was TAUGHT to say 'howareyou' and he didn't understand other people's feelings of gratefulness or reciprocity in conversation.
Recently, there has been an effort to move beyond the sort of 'howareyoufine' training and there has been a larger emphasis on teaching autistic young adults 'how other people feel'. This is very very difficult for many of them. A friend of mine has her son in a sort of 'empathy-relationships' training where he gets a lot of practice in how other people feel, and how his actions make them feel. It's extremely difficult for him to understand other people, and he is very, very high functioning.
The dream and hope of almost every autistic child's parents is that somehow, inside, there is a 'normal child' that is 'trying to get out'. Trying to find a way to communicate.
After spending much of my life around autistic children and adults, I do not feel that there is a 'normal child inside', but an autistic child inside, whose perception, thinking and feeling is different in profound ways from neurotypical people. I think some of their frustration results from not being able to ask for things or tell others when they feel ill or upset.
My wish for them is that they be happy and safe and adjust to whatever sort of life makes the most sense for them. A profoundly affected person cannot live independently and earn a living, but I also think it is a shame if a mildly affected person is prevented from being as autonomous and independent as he can be. I would like for every child to get as much training as this child in this video got. And I'd like for every autistic child or person to be in a safe, secure environment where they can become as much as they can be.
" were in fact instilled into her psyche and one day it all came together for her. The computer was a vessel that allowed her to have a voice "
I don't believe that people have a psyche, and I don't believe that things 'come together' in this way.
I have absolutely zero belief in facilitated communication. It has already been completely debunked. People who have promoted it should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
The parents say this has no similarity to facilitated communication. However, in several videos of them, I did see someone prompting her as to what letters to type. So I don't think all of it is completely her own indepenent thoughts. How much of it is her thoughts and how much it has been shaped by someone else, I can't say.
The words, however, are not really what I would expect.
What happened with this child was that she had from the time she was 2 years old, ABA, PECS and tons and tons of other training, and eventually, she responded. She is proof that evidence based therapy, early intervention and hours and hours and hours of very highly trained therapists devoting themselves to working very, very hard with a child, can help.
She still is autistic. She STILL has very serious problems. She is still autistic.
She has impulses and has a lot of problems controlling her behavior. It appears that for her, it is difficult to form words and sounds with her mouth. Typing seems to give her an alternative to struggling with making sounds.
She is not unusual, which I think it seems very strange that she is made out to be completely unique in the world, I don't think she is.
An autistic boy I took care of, started talking at age 10, after years and years and years of full time therapy and training. It is simply that it takes these children much much longer to learn to communicate. He did not have as much trouble forming sounds as she does.
However, finding a way to communicate does NOT make autism 'go away'. This child and others like her are not 'cured' by finding a way to express their wants and needs. They may be mildly autistic or severely autistic, but they are still autistic. My boy learned to talk, but he did not learn to be not-autistic. And like this young lady he still had very, very severe behavior problems. One day, he ran across a street because he saw a bicycle he liked in a store widow. He was hit by a car and broke his leg and pelvis.
Personally, I have far less doubts about the originality of the content of speaking than typing, since typing can be assisted or prompted. Speaking can ALSO be prompted, but sometimes it's easier to tell that with speaking.
The autistic boy I took care of was considered to be mentally retarded as well.
I don't get what is the big deal with being designated 'Developmentally disabled'. Or 'developmentally delayed'. Nearly everyone who has autism has delays in some areas of development. A child who is ten and wearing diapers is developmentally delayed. A child who can't speak is developmentally delayed in acquiring expressive speech.
Even autistic savants often lack the ability to solve practical problems or stay safe in in unfamiliar situations. Often autistic people have some areas they are far more able at than others. Some can hear and understand language better than they can speak it (like Carly) and some of them have little trouble speaking but struggle to read.
Too, it's VERY common for autistic people to struggle with something for a long time and then seem to 'suddenly get it'. That's not unusual. For example a boy I worked with struggled for months to blow a feather by pursing his lips, then seemed to skip several steps and pronounce several sounds suddenly one day. it didn't matter. He still needed many more years to learn to speak fluidly so that people could understand him.
I am very, very concerned about the public's tendency to romanticize and distort autism into something it is not. There have been too many sappy movies and far, far too much misinformation spread about.
There is an absolute fascination with autistic savants, for example, even though there are very few of them, and even though the 'savant ability' seems to come at great, great cost, and other areas of thinking suffer.
The focus is all on 'how intelligent autistic children are'. Well the fact is that some autistic people appear to be very intelligent about certain things, but still have many difficulties. And a great many autistic children ARE in fact, seriously disabled, show little sign of ever being able to speak, and are profoundly developmentally delayed in many ways.
I've worked with adults who scratched themselves, attacked people, and spent the rest of their time screaming or rocking by themselves. I've taken care of adult autstics who were so severely self harming they had to be kept in restraints 23 hours a day to prevent them from doing terrible things to each other. I have hit, been bitten and defecated on.
There are some people that are so severely affected that they don't respond even to the most intensive teaching and training. For example the Greenfields spent years getting every kind of training they could for their son Noah, he remains without speech and very, very disabled. Fortunately many autistic children are not so disabled.
This child learned to communicate to some degree after years and years and years of very, very hard work. That is what this is about. Hard, hard work. I can't tell for sure exactly how much of her typing is her own, creative, original work, but it makes her family happy and that is the important thing. It's tough enough to have a child with a disability. Parents always worry what will become of their child after they are gone. If something cheers them in this long, long marathon, so be it.
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