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Are you for real???????????
Are you for real???????????
Thomas Jefferson - A man for all ages!
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Yep! It's true! They're replacing him with some guy named Calvin.
Are you for real???????????
Yep! It's true! They're replacing him with some guy named Calvin.
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Are you for real???????????
Yeppers, my understanding is that some on the board have issue with his stance on religion's role in government. The reason that this is a big national issue is that Texas is the biggest purchaser of textbooks in the nation, so history textbooks will be written to their standards. Revisionist history drives me nuts.
Back to his quotes, some of my favorites are;
All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.
Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty
Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.
and lastly:
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.
Of course, there are many many others. And some that I don't totally agree with, but as he said once: "An association of men who will not quarrel with one another is a thing which has never yet existed, from the greatest confederacy of nations down to a town meeting or a vestry"
Are you for real???????????
Yeppers, my understanding is that some on the board have issue with his stance on religion's role in government. The reason that this is a big national issue is that Texas is the biggest purchaser of textbooks in the nation, so history textbooks will be written to their standards. Revisionist history drives me nuts.
Back to his quotes, some of my favorites are;
All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.
Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty
Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.
and lastly:
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.
Of course, there are many many others. And some that I don't totally agree with, but as he said once: "An association of men who will not quarrel with one another is a thing which has never yet existed, from the greatest confederacy of nations down to a town meeting or a vestry"
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Sure those are some great quotes- but they are in a completely different context than they would be today. We are no longer a new country that just broke from Britain. That's what all those tyranny quotes are about.
We can still credit him for this too though-
He promoted religious freedom, helping to establish the country's separation between church and state, and he advocated free public education, an idea considered radical by his contemporaries.
It's quite sad though that our founding fathers put so much "independence and freedom" into everything they wrote, yet slavery continued for an entire century.
We can still credit him for this too though-
He promoted religious freedom, helping to establish the country's separation between church and state, and he advocated free public education, an idea considered radical by his contemporaries.
It's quite sad though that our founding fathers put so much "independence and freedom" into everything they wrote, yet slavery continued for an entire century.
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
HappyMtn, you can't ignore the context of the time. This is true. And in that time, slavery was commonplace and accepted.
HappyMtn, you can't ignore the context of the time. This is true. And in that time, slavery was commonplace and accepted.
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Hello HappyMtn. I have to strongly disagree that these quotes are somehow outdated, non-applicable to today because the situation is not verbatim. There is a lot of junk in life that changes with time, but there are core truths to existence on this planted that will never, in one gazillion years, change. These are the truths that we are founded on - that everyone, EVERYONE is born equal, with GOD given right to seek out their own destiny, their own way in this life. That government will always attract power thirsty individuals, and that power corrupts even the best, therefor a system of government was created that empowered the people and limited the power of the politicians. The struggle between the founders and Britain is not anything unique - it's the same story a thousand times throughout history; humans in power trying to own the humans not in power - tyranny. History is where we learn from the struggles of those who came before us so that we do not have to relive their pain, so that their efforts for our freedoms are not wasted on an ignorant recipient. The reason that these quotes are so beloved, the reason that the founding documents are clung to with such fervor, is because they have proven themselves to be the blue prints to freedom. They warn us of the dangers of Tyranny - a threat that is as real and present in this moment in time and in this place in time, as it has ever been anywhere in this world. The path has been trod before us from freedom to slavery and we need to understand how this pattern just repeats itself over and over again. Human nature is the same, the dangers are the same, the path the same, THE SOLUTION IS THE SAME. The history of America shows us the path to freedom.
As to the hypocrisy of slavery during the founding of a Nation based upon freedom for all - yes. I have read so many pages from our founders where they rail against slavery, they tremble at the evil of it, but they did not know how to abolish it, or even live without it. They did, however, recognize, that the founding of a free nation and the abolishment of slavery, would have to be two separate fights - they would have to win the one first if the second was ever to have any hope. And they had the enslaved in mind when they were developing this system of government - it is evident over and over again in their writings and in their arguments, that they were fighting to enact a system of government that would only flourish if the practice of slavery was abolished forever. Did you know that the phrase "pursuit of happiness" was originally "pursuit of property" but was changed in large part because slaves were considered to be property at the time and the founders were struggling to avoid anything that would empower the practice, and were fighting to infuse the documents with freedom for all. This is just one example. And many of our founders , Jefferson included, spent decades fighting to abolish slavery. It is our founding documents and the principals of our nation that led to the eventual freedom of all. Now, I fear that if we do not listen to the words of warning from those who went before us, we are going to march ourselves right back into a government of slavery.
Hello HappyMtn. I have to strongly disagree that these quotes are somehow outdated, non-applicable to today because the situation is not verbatim. There is a lot of junk in life that changes with time, but there are core truths to existence on this planted that will never, in one gazillion years, change. These are the truths that we are founded on - that everyone, EVERYONE is born equal, with GOD given right to seek out their own destiny, their own way in this life. That government will always attract power thirsty individuals, and that power corrupts even the best, therefor a system of government was created that empowered the people and limited the power of the politicians. The struggle between the founders and Britain is not anything unique - it's the same story a thousand times throughout history; humans in power trying to own the humans not in power - tyranny. History is where we learn from the struggles of those who came before us so that we do not have to relive their pain, so that their efforts for our freedoms are not wasted on an ignorant recipient. The reason that these quotes are so beloved, the reason that the founding documents are clung to with such fervor, is because they have proven themselves to be the blue prints to freedom. They warn us of the dangers of Tyranny - a threat that is as real and present in this moment in time and in this place in time, as it has ever been anywhere in this world. The path has been trod before us from freedom to slavery and we need to understand how this pattern just repeats itself over and over again. Human nature is the same, the dangers are the same, the path the same, THE SOLUTION IS THE SAME. The history of America shows us the path to freedom.
As to the hypocrisy of slavery during the founding of a Nation based upon freedom for all - yes. I have read so many pages from our founders where they rail against slavery, they tremble at the evil of it, but they did not know how to abolish it, or even live without it. They did, however, recognize, that the founding of a free nation and the abolishment of slavery, would have to be two separate fights - they would have to win the one first if the second was ever to have any hope. And they had the enslaved in mind when they were developing this system of government - it is evident over and over again in their writings and in their arguments, that they were fighting to enact a system of government that would only flourish if the practice of slavery was abolished forever. Did you know that the phrase "pursuit of happiness" was originally "pursuit of property" but was changed in large part because slaves were considered to be property at the time and the founders were struggling to avoid anything that would empower the practice, and were fighting to infuse the documents with freedom for all. This is just one example. And many of our founders , Jefferson included, spent decades fighting to abolish slavery. It is our founding documents and the principals of our nation that led to the eventual freedom of all. Now, I fear that if we do not listen to the words of warning from those who went before us, we are going to march ourselves right back into a government of slavery.
My point being- Jefferson wanted "equal rights for ALL" and separation of church and state. If he was such a wise man- why haven't we listened to him?
If there was ever a quote taken out of context it was "A wall of separation between Church and State". If that quote meantwhat many people clam it to be, why was it never put into ANY official govt document? Jefferson had the influence and power to push for that. That phrase was used in ONE PRIVATE letter.
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It's a given- we are supposed to be a democracy, not a theocracy. If religion is allowed to determine who is entitled to equal rights, the whole bill of rights is a farce. That's why the settlers left England in the first place.
It's a given- we are supposed to be a democracy, not a theocracy. If religion is allowed to determine who is entitled to equal rights, the whole bill of rights is a farce. That's why the settlers left England in the first place.
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I believe he was only removed from the "Enlightenment" section. It would be nearly impossible to completely remove him from our history books.
The conservatives on the Texas BOE want to "balance" history, apparently. Jefferson is probably the primary reason we have separation of church and state. He was also a Deist. Check out the Jefferson Bible.
I believe he was only removed from the "Enlightenment" section. It would be nearly impossible to completely remove him from our history books.
The conservatives on the Texas BOE want to "balance" history, apparently. Jefferson is probably the primary reason we have separation of church and state. He was also a Deist. Check out the Jefferson Bible.
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