With my first group of 5 chickens, I did successfully teach them to stay off the large patio off the back of my house. I consistently shooed them off and after awhile, they found other places to be. When they were a year old, one of them died unexpectedly and when we introduced 2 new chicks another year later, my old flock of 4 was still staying off the patio, but the 2 new ones didn't seem to understand, so I ended up getting a poultry fence from Premier (never electrified it). So although I did train the first group, I'm not sure what or why it worked and didn't with the other 2.