Truth or not...blue birds

[Henk69]

It can be: Pg Ml Co. Is confirmed in scientific literature for one line of andalusian blue chickens.
But since you can't get double lacing on blue, that would work too: Pg Ml co+ (no Columbian)

Pg or Ml alone could work also.
Pg alone is no melanizer so you might lack pigment for a decent lace.
Other melanizers could jump in though.

The following is hypothetical:
Co could be a factor to clean up specks of black in the blue.
Dominant white is also a flecky color and is improved by the columbian factor i.m.o.

 

[pips&peeps]

That would depend on what kind of chicken you have and what kind of ancestry they carry.

With ameraucanas, I do not believe anyone has every bred in the "real" lacing gene as in andalusian.

I believe it is the blue "prone" lacing, which is why I believe my experience in breeding blue to blue causes less lacing because of less black pigment.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Henk, when you say that double lacing is not possible on blue, are you expecting that it is E/E based? [E-allele, not Easter Egger

)

 

[Mrs. Turbo]

There is a breeder of LF Black Wyandottes in Ill, he is a well known poultry judge....I got my blacks from him....also Mr. Urch has them.

I think the lacing is pretty weak in my Blue Wyandottes and have considered putting a SLW on them to see what happens....I know I will probably get some of the famous Lavender Laced Wyandottes from this breeding which is NOT what I am looking for.

Henk69, I am guessing I would cross the best F1 pullets from this cross back on to the Blue Wyandotte roo?

Anyway here is a picture of a black roo with no blue in his background....he is molting so he is not in the best feather

He has slate undercolor on his body and almost white undercolor on his neck...I know that whites were used to make this black flock.

 

[BamaChicken]

Henk69, Maybe i am not smart enough to understand your anwser to this question or I have totally missed it even though I read back through. I thought the question here was could a pure black line be created from a blue/black Cross if you continued breeding the black created from first cross to black. Maybe I am totally misunderstanding what the question is. Sorry If I offended you by asking.
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[hinkjc]

Don't feel bad Julie, I didn't "get it" either. My feeling on this (and I could be wrong) is once you go back to breeding black to black, it is pure black. If a black bird has a blue gene, it would be visually blue. Since a black bird doesn't have a blue gene, it can't be blue anymore. Am I missing something?

 

[BamaChicken]

That was my thinking Jody, but maybe I am totally wrong.

 

[nikevijo]

So if a black bird has the blue gene, then it would have the faded dull black coloring?

 

[Tuffoldhen]

I thought black birds didn't carry any blue genes? I'm confused too!

 

[halo]

Jody, thats exactly what I was wondering. If a black bird is BB, and a blue bird is Bb, doesnt it stand to reason that if you breed blue to black, if the offspring get the b, its blue, if it doesnt, its black. Now maybe thats being very simplistic, which I need tobe to understand this. If there was a recessive blue gene that a black bird could carry, then it would act like the lavender gene, where a black bird could carry the lavender gene without being lavender, and it could produce lavender even with another lavender carrier black. (This is Jody's department, I hope Im not stepping on toes here).

So to my knowledge, if you take 2 black birds that were produced from blue x black, those 2 birds will NEVER produce blue, because the blue gene just isnt there. It doesnt work like lavender. Jody, have you noticed any difference in the color of your lavender/black orps from your regular black orps?

These babies are the result of a splash roo over black and barred hens. The lacing is the best I have ever gotten. Im hoping to get a blue roo from this cross with lacing to replace the blue roo I have now with no lacing. Then I will try breeding him to lacey girls, and see if I can get even better lacing.