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With all of the talk about humidity, the humidity in my incubator spiked to 55 on yesterday. I didn't do anything different. :barnie That was a first. So, I just left it there to see what happens. :oops:
 
You reminded me fowlsessed, I bought a liquid wormer a few months ago and I've forgotten to add it to the water. I've even forgotten what it is, it may be ivermectin.
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We've had that freezing weather here lately, but since it is suppose to warm up this weekend I'm going to pull it out and add it to the water. I've got about a month before breeding will start here. Is that enough time for the eggs to be clear or should I worry about that?
Actually, I don't think it really affects the eggs, So that should be plenty of time. But maybe someone can second that.
 
55% spikes is ok. My inital thought is that to keep it this high is too high. All about keeping records for what works for you in the area you live in. How much water I put into my incubator varies by season, and many factors. THe air cells tell me what to do, so I track those carefully.

I have noticed many threads on sinusitis. And various treatments. And I just spent a few hours looking at old threads for treatments. I see this as a two part issue: prevention and treatment. ANd WHile management is part of prevention, I also see value in tracking those that are prone to sinusistis and consider NOT using those in the breeding pen whenever possible. Or at least recognising that those individuals that do not get sick should definitely have offspring to spread their resistant genes in to the next generation.
 
With all of the talk about humidity, the humidity in my incubator spiked to 55 on yesterday. I didn't do anything different.
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That was a first. So, I just left it there to see what happens.
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It rained yesterday, here in Louisiana, so the Humidity outside went up. If your incubator is in an area that has exposure to the outside air at all, like Utility room, kitchen, Living room or den, it will effect the reading on your Humidity.
55% spikes is ok. My inital thought is that to keep it this high is too high. All about keeping records for what works for you in the area you live in. How much water I put into my incubator varies by season, and many factors. THe air cells tell me what to do, so I track those carefully.

I have noticed many threads on sinusitis. And various treatments. And I just spent a few hours looking at old threads for treatments. I see this as a two part issue: prevention and treatment. ANd WHile management is part of prevention, I also see value in tracking those that are prone to sinusistis and consider NOT using those in the breeding pen whenever possible. Or at least recognising that those individuals that do not get sick should definitely have offspring to spread their resistant genes in to the next generation.
I hear this a lot,. on BYC, too. Maybe it may have something to do with breed or area or weather? Here in Louisiana, my turkeys never get sick and neither have my chickens, ducks or Geese, but this land was used to grow crops on, but never any animals. My dogs got Provo about 2 years ago, when it was epidemic in the area(lots of coons and possums, wolves and fox, and a great deal of deer, right in the yard. The only thing I think they might have gotten a mild dose of is Fowl pox. Don't know for sure, but last summer, when the ants in the garden got bad, a few of they got into the overgrown garden and got scabs on their faces. I thought it may be pox, don't know for sure, because it took a while to show up and I did not identify the ones that got into the garden to know if it was the same ones that got the black scabs. All cleared up quickly, except 1 that I had to put some neosporin ointment on. They were mostly the younger hens. Do you think these hens will have an immunity to the fowl pox, now that may be passed on to the poults that are hatched from their eggs?
 
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Hello all,

Does anyone here use saddles on their turkey hens? My tom has ripped some pretty deep gouges in the side of my hen. I have separated her and I'm treating the wounds..but holy guacamole that can not be normal. So I'm curious how many turkey owners have this issue...how do they handle it? Is it common practice for you to trim nails and spurs?
 
Immunity is an interesting thing.

First, we (aniumals)have an immune system with a memory. THat once exposed, specialized cells go into storage to wait for the next exposure. THese cells vary in how long they are viable. So think about how we are vaccinated for tetnus. It lasts a good 10 years, then you need another one. If you get a puncture type wound with in 5 years you are good, if you get a puncture in years 5-10 you need a booster. At 10 years you need a booster no matter what. With other vaccines, the duration may be batter than this, or not. In the case of the influenza vaccines, annual injections are designed to keep up the the most likely latest strains running around, so annual vaccination is necessary. THere are some things I don't vacinate my horses for because they are not around other horses that might have the disease. So I don't vaccinate for the flu/rhino every THREE months like they do in the big barns with horses out to shows, and going here and there. So . . . . immunity in a specific bird can be aquired by exposure thru vaccination, or thru disease exposure.

For offspring, they cannot benefit from the immunity described above. What they will benefit from is when a parent has a genetic immunity. For example, when the , oh I can't remeber if it is the black plque or the bubonic plague, shoot, well my point is that during this plague a stunning number of humans became sickened and died. Like 25-40% of the human population. BUt some people did not even get sick despite exposure. ( NOt all peole that were exposed [should be] sickened died either. ) THe people that survived had the genetics to fight the bug. ANd when these people reproduced, they passed on the ability to fight the bug. So the next generations were not suseptable to this disease. This is also applicalbe to the birds. Basically, don't keep a sick bird. Eliminate it from the breeding pool.

Hope this makes sense. ONly in mammalian animals which drink their mother's milk can specialized cells be passed to the infants/babies. ANd then the time is limited. These are BIG molecules and the intestinal lining allows these to be abosorbed only with in the first 24 hours. Colostrum is sticky as it is made up of these sticky proteins. My children do not get ear aches because they acquired passive immunity from me. My body copied all my stored immunity and made that available to my children in the first milk.

Chickens can't do this because they don't feed their babies milk. So technically they can't acquire immunity from the parents this way, only genetic immunity.

Here endith the lesson.
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Immunity is an interesting thing.

First, we (aniumals)have an immune system with a memory. THat once exposed, specialized cells go into storage to wait for the next exposure. THese cells vary in how long they are viable. So think about how we are vaccinated for tetnus. It lasts a good 10 years, then you need another one. If you get a puncture type wound with in 5 years you are good, if you get a puncture in years 5-10 you need a booster. At 10 years you need a booster no matter what. With other vaccines, the duration may be batter than this, or not. In the case of the influenza vaccines, annual injections are designed to keep up the the most likely latest strains running around, so annual vaccination is necessary. THere are some things I don't vacinate my horses for because they are not around other horses that might have the disease. So I don't vaccinate for the flu/rhino every THREE months like they do in the big barns with horses out to shows, and going here and there. So . . . . immunity in a specific bird can be aquired by exposure thru vaccination, or thru disease exposure.

For offspring, they cannot benefit from the immunity described above. What they will benefit from is when a parent has a genetic immunity. For example, when the , oh I can't remeber if it is the black plque or the bubonic plague, shoot, well my point is that during this plague a stunning number of humans became sickened and died. Like 25-40% of the human population. BUt some people did not even get sick despite exposure. ( NOt all peole that were exposed died either. ) THe people that survived had the genetics to fight the bug. ANd when these people reproduced, they passed on the ability to fight the bug. So the next generations were not suseptable to this disease. This is also applicalbe to the birds. Basically, don't keep a sick bird. Eliminate it from the breeding pool.

Hope this makes sense. ONly in mammalian animals which drink their mother's milk can specialized cells be passed to the infants/babies. ANd then the time is limited. These are BIG molecules and the intestinal lining allows these to be abosorbed only with in the first 24 hours. Colostrum is sticky as it is made up of these sticky proteins. My children do not get ear aches because they acquired passive immunity from me. My body copied all my stored immunity and made that available to my children in the first milk.

Chickens can't do this because they don't feed their babies milk. So technically they can't acquire immunity from the parents this way, only genetic immunity.

Here endith the lesson.
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Actually, the hens DO pass immunities through the eggs. When reading up on vaccinations, if a flock is vaccinated for some things, then the day old chicks shouldn't be vaccinated until after, I believe, 6-8 weeks, because their mother's passive, natural immunities will kill off the vaccine strain before the chick's actual immunity (T cells?! memory is fading already, lol) can "get ahold" of the virus and start recreating those immunity cells. The natural passive immunities wear off in about 6-8 weeks and no longer protect them.
 
Quote: IMO neither will kill you, it's more about exposure unnecessarily to chemicals. And the rules of our food production. In a commercial application, the eggs and meat from certain antibitoics are not to be used for food. I also feel these low doses could somehow contribute to increasing the resistance among the internal parasites. I personally will not eat those eggs. If eating them is what you prefer to do, I understand. I hate waste.
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