unexpected white chick - Lav Roo, White EE Hen

[tolmema]

How crazy I was just asking on a post today what color my tan paint pullet is and was told she is most likely autosomal red over paint as well! Mine is a similar situation, a lavender ameraucana (bantam) dad and a paint mom. I’ll post the pic of my girl.

Your boy is so cute. I bet the color genetics are similar to my girl. Have you bred him or hatched any of his chicks?

thank you! yours are adorable too. lavender + paint makes really pretty birds IMO.

yours has the same exact reddish tint color that Marshmallow was as a chick.

i believe he has hatched out some chicks but he's in a mixed flock right now at someone else's farm. my goal is to put him with the other lav splits, an ayam, and a cream legbar this summer.

 

[Slothinc]

thank you! yours are adorable too. lavender + paint makes really pretty birds IMO.

yours has the same exact reddish tint color that Marshmallow was as a chick.

i believe he has hatched out some chicks but he's in a mixed flock right now at someone else's farm. my goal is to put him with the other lav splits, an ayam, and a cream legbar this summer.

That will be an awesome group!! I personally love this cross because of the blue eggs and because they carry lavender. So far my little pullet lays the prettiest blue eggs. If I decide to use her, I’ll probably put her with a lavender boy and try to get some blue egg laying lavender chicks. I don’t know if the tan would affect the lavender color, but I guess it would be a fun experiment. (She would also throw paint chicks because of the dominant white.)

 

[tolmema]

That will be an awesome group!! I personally love this cross because of the blue eggs and because they carry lavender. So far my little pullet lays the prettiest blue eggs. If I decide to use her, I’ll probably put her with a lavender boy and try to get some blue egg laying lavender chicks. I don’t know if the tan would affect the lavender color, but I guess it would be a fun experiment. (She would also throw paint chicks because of the dominant white.)

ooh i would love to see them if you go that route! i will have to work to keep blue eggs in my existing flock...i think i have just 3 right now and two are roosters.

i'm working on lavenders, and zombies. but i need a white dom first to get zombies, so i'm breeding paints for that.

my lavender rooster had a red shoulder, though i didn't realize that's what it was at the time (attached). the only place i've seen the red being a problem is from the ameraucana ermine folks, because ermines aren't supposed to have any red and apparently autosomal red is really hard to get rid of.

 

[Slothinc]

ooh i would love to see them if you go that route! i will have to work to keep blue eggs in my existing flock...i think i have just 3 right now and two are roosters.

i'm working on lavenders, and zombies. but i need a white dom first to get zombies, so i'm breeding paints for that.

my lavender rooster had a red shoulder, though i didn't realize that's what it was at the time (attached). the only place i've seen the red being a problem is from the ameraucana ermine folks, because ermines aren't supposed to have any red and apparently autosomal red is really hard to get rid of.

I love that!! How fun! I want to stay updated on your projects! They are really similar to mine actually, but I’m just dealing with bantams/silkies. My two favorite colors are lavender and paint so I’m going for both of those, but I want blue egg layers too so I’m going to try to keep that in the lines. So far I have several 2nd gen crosses (ameraucana bantam x silkie) and I have some 3rd gen crosses as well. But shoot I have no idea how the autosomal red got into the lines and I’m worried now that all of them carry it. And that’s not great if it’s really hard to get out. I will really have to research it more.

Thanks for the photo of your boy with the red shoulder - I wouldn’t have thought that. So now I will look for that in the lavenders that I have!

 

[tolmema]

I love that!! How fun! I want to stay updated on your projects! They are really similar to mine actually, but I’m just dealing with bantams/silkies. My two favorite colors are lavender and paint so I’m going for both of those, but I want blue egg layers too so I’m going to try to keep that in the lines. So far I have several 2nd gen crosses (ameraucana bantam x silkie) and I have some 3rd gen crosses as well. But shoot I have no idea how the autosomal red got into the lines and I’m worried now that all of them carry it. And that’s not great if it’s really hard to get out. I will really have to research it more.

Thanks for the photo of your boy with the red shoulder - I wouldn’t have thought that. So now I will look for that in the lavenders that I have!

i love that we're working on basically the same thing just different sizes haha.

i found this post on facebook from a lady that seems insanely knowledgable about chicken colors.

Genetics of Chicken Colours-Sigrid van Dort​

AUTOSOMAL RED, BLESSING & CURSE
Autosomal red is a mystery, first coined somewhere in the 1950s by Hutt and Jeffreys. Autosomal red is the pest in silvers, causing red shoulders in S/S cocks (girls stay clean so you don't know they can give sons with it).

In other cases autosomal red is a blessing, for example in silvers with orange shoulders (cocks, often combined with blue for more beauty). Here you see 'lemon'. Lemon can be gold with columbians Co, Db and gold diluters like Di and ig to make gold as light as baby yellow, or by adding autosomal red to a silver bird. One photo shows a Frisian cock lemon pencilled (Citroen pel). The second is the early stage of creating lemon columbian Wyandottes by Danny Stindt (NL).

It is very difficult to get autosomal red evenly, it is always blotchy, either on a single feather or over whole feather fields. If a chicken has a pattern, it is less obvious. But if the chicken has nothing to distract your eyes from the blotchy distribution of autosomal red, you can see its character.

Anyway, a curse and a blessing, you can use it or hate it.
And no, there is no 'cure' or 'trick' to get rid of it if it is a curse to you, other than breeding to 'clean silver' - sometimes for several years - and hoping for the best.

Nobody knows if autosomal red is one gene or several factors
(me included).

For books on less mysterious colours: www.chickencolours.com

 

[Slothinc]

i love that we're working on basically the same thing just different sizes haha.

i found this post on facebook from a lady that seems insanely knowledgable about chicken colors.

Genetics of Chicken Colours-Sigrid van Dort​

AUTOSOMAL RED, BLESSING & CURSE
Autosomal red is a mystery, first coined somewhere in the 1950s by Hutt and Jeffreys. Autosomal red is the pest in silvers, causing red shoulders in S/S cocks (girls stay clean so you don't know they can give sons with it).

In other cases autosomal red is a blessing, for example in silvers with orange shoulders (cocks, often combined with blue for more beauty). Here you see 'lemon'. Lemon can be gold with columbians Co, Db and gold diluters like Di and ig to make gold as light as baby yellow, or by adding autosomal red to a silver bird. One photo shows a Frisian cock lemon pencilled (Citroen pel). The second is the early stage of creating lemon columbian Wyandottes by Danny Stindt (NL).

It is very difficult to get autosomal red evenly, it is always blotchy, either on a single feather or over whole feather fields. If a chicken has a pattern, it is less obvious. But if the chicken has nothing to distract your eyes from the blotchy distribution of autosomal red, you can see its character.

Anyway, a curse and a blessing, you can use it or hate it.
And no, there is no 'cure' or 'trick' to get rid of it if it is a curse to you, other than breeding to 'clean silver' - sometimes for several years - and hoping for the best.

Nobody knows if autosomal red is one gene or several factors
(me included).

For books on less mysterious colours: www.chickencolours.com

Thank you so much for that - wow! It was not something even on my radar until this week! I do have a lemon cuckoo pullet as well and since that blurb mentions lemon I wonder if it is related to a fully lemon colored bird. I honestly need to do more researching on lemon. Because I have kind of been wondering if I could get to “blue cream” which is lavender over leaky buff if I understand correctly. Probably not but my lemon girl is really typey & can have sex linked chicks so she could be valuable for breeding more typey silkies. Anyways now I’ve gone off on a tangent, sorry!!

 

[tolmema]

Thank you so much for that - wow! It was not something even on my radar until this week! I do have a lemon cuckoo pullet as well and since that blurb mentions lemon I wonder if it is related to a fully lemon colored bird. I honestly need to do more researching on lemon. Because I have kind of been wondering if I could get to “blue cream” which is lavender over leaky buff if I understand correctly. Probably not but my lemon girl is really typey & can have sex linked chicks so she could be valuable for breeding more typey silkies. Anyways now I’ve gone off on a tangent, sorry!!

i don't know as much about lemon either. i think what you are talking about with the buff and lav is porcelain, which is basically the red/pink hue of lavender instead of the blue/grey hue.

i found another post that might be helpful for you: https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/blue-cream-silkie-rooster.1442996/

 

[Slothinc]

i don't know as much about lemon either. i think what you are talking about with the buff and lav is porcelain, which is basically the red/pink hue of lavender instead of the blue/grey hue.

i found another post that might be helpful for you: https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/blue-cream-silkie-rooster.1442996/

Oh you’re right! I always forget it’s called porcelain. Most of the silkie breeders call it blue cream, which I don’t love because there is no blue in it, and shouldn’t be bred to blue. Like how many people call lavenders self blue. It’s a bit confusing!