Valbazen dosage for different sized chickens?

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  1. katelk

    katelk Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Ok after a lot of reading using 1cc of Valbazen in 8cc of water and giving 2cc of the mix is for standard birds.

    I have Orpingtons, including 2 big Roos, as well as a couple smaller silkie mixes.

    Is this same dosing used for ALL sizes?
     
  2. dawg53

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    There's nothing wrong with 1cc Valbazen in 8cc water given orally. Some folks claim it's better gut coverage. The problem is that it's more risky in causing a bird to aspirate. It's easier to dose 1/2cc orally undiluted to standard size birds, 1/4cc orally undiluted for smaller birds. You can give your big roos 3/4cc or 1cc orally undiluted if you wish. Whatever dosage you use, redose again in 10 days. Valbazen is very safe and kills all known types of worms chickens can get.
     
  3. katelk

    katelk Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you!!

    I recently had a pullet die- not from worms, but the necropsy turned up a good amount of tapeworms.
    I was advised earlier by someone on here to use a product called "fish tapes" - pills with 34mg Praziquantel- to kill the tapeworms first. For a 34mg pill give 1/2 pill to small birds and 1 pill to larger birds.

    I was then going to use the Valbazen to start a 2x per year deworming.

    I have NEVER dewormed my chickens before.

    Can you tell me your thoughts? I have noticed you are quite the BYC authority on deworming :D
     
  4. casportpony

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    @dawg53 , in another thread I suggested 0.08ml per pound. Most of the birds being treated are orpingtons, which quite a bit larger than the average hen, so her big rooster would get 0.8ml, her large hens would get 0.64ml and her small ones would get 0.56ml. If they were mine I'd round up to 0.7ml and 0.6ml with the hens

    -Kathy
     
  5. casportpony

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    A vet said that one would get better coverage doing something *like* this, but that amount of water with that amount of medication is unlikely to work very well. The goal is to get 9.1 mg per pound in each bird. And less and you may not kill a large enough percentage of worms.

    -Kathy
     
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  7. katelk

    katelk Chillin' With My Peeps

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    @casportpony -

    Thank you! I do recall you saying that about the dosing. My brain is getting information overload today. I have it straight with the Valbazen now.

    Wondering if I can use the fish tapes pills first, then 10 days later do the follow up with Valbazen?

    Maybe then they would be cleaned out and covered til spring?
     
  8. casportpony

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    2 ml of Valbazen with 8ml of water makes 10ml with 227.2mg, so that 22.72 mg per ml.

    For best coverage doing that one would do this math
    • 10 pound bird divided by 2.2, times 20, divided by 22.72 = 4 ml needed
    • 8 pound bird divided by 2.2, times 20, divided by 22.72 = 3.2 ml needed
    • 1 pound bird divided by 2.2,, times 20, divided by 22.72 = 0.4 ml needed per pound

    Much easier just to give it undiluted orally.

    -Kathy
     
  9. dawg53

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    I dont see any reason why you shouldnt use the fish tapes...praziquantel is praziquantel. Use the fish tapes again 10 days later instead of valbazen. Let us know how it works for your birds. You might even see tapeworms excreted in feces within an hour after dosing. They will be broken up in bits and pieces, flat and segmented or stringy looking like jellyfish tentacles.
     
  10. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    A 10 pound rooster needs about 30 mg of praziquantel, and I don't think a peasize amount of Zimectrin Gold will have that much. [​IMG]

    Amount of paste needed for a ten pound rooster is no less than:
    10 ÷ 2.2 x 6 ÷ 77.5 = 0.35ml of Zimectrin Gold

    -Kathy
     

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