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I had a chicken coop but took it apart deciding it was too small for my tastes. We have decided on a chicken tractor that will probably end up looking like a two story house once complete. The 9.5' by 4' frame is done, and we are going to add the supports for the coup floor (on top) today, and probably at least start cutting the floor....then we will add the tin roof and the long walls that will function as doors. I am not sure if I will like the tin walls, but my thrifty other half is sure it will work....if not it will be changed quickly to some other material.
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On each of the short sides I have decided to leave the roof triangles open for ventilation...covering them in chicken wire for security and allowing the roof to overhang to block out the rain. I am wondering... the 2ft high 4 ft wide 9.5ft long (upper) chicken coup section of the tractor will likely need additional ventilation..what can you recommend for achieving that?

I hope this gets done before the rooster is out of quarantine...6 more days....
 
I've done quite a bit of research on ventilation, I've never found any definitive information on venting ratio (vent size, coop volume, number of chickens). While the link mentioned above gives vent sizes, it doesn't mention the coop size or number of chickens involved.

My approach is using coop smell, while not very scientific, it works for me. If I smell ammonia, there is not enough venting or the coop needs cleaning.

I have two "windows" on opposite sides, both are open in summer for a cross breeze and one gets closed in winter. Venting on "all four walls" as mentioned in the link, in MHO would be drafty, making any insulation fairly useless in winter. I get a fair amount of winds year around that are forever changing directions. This would keep me very busy going out every hour closing/opening vents. I put my main vent on the side with the least amount of wind.
 
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I would think tin or galvanized metal sides would get quite hot in the summer months. JMO Ventalation is very important and if you are having a coop that is only 2 feet high it is extemely important. Chickens body temp. is something like 104 degrees and in a small coop or short coop you need to worry most about condensation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which often leads to respitory infection.
Also, how many chickens and what kind are you putting in there. you will want plenty of ventalation up high on at least 2 sides, but you also do not want a good draft coming in on them at night in the winter. Not sure where you live, but I get some pretty good cold in the winter. I have lived through humanizing my chickens and dragging them into the garage for over a month as it was 0-22 degrees for a good month. Was it the right thing to do? Of course it was. It made me feel better. Did my chickens like it? Not really. After reading about winters and chicken on here and chatting with a few friends I think chickens can survive just fine at those temps. with good ventalation, a bit more room then they require in their coops, and a good deep bed of fluffed up straw with DE sprinkled through it. I also have a small floor heater for them now.
If you look at "my page" you can see the hoop house they were in, over my raised beds this winter. I have 3 EE and a BO and they were in a 2.5x3.3 insulated plastic dog house. Then the hoop house attached to it with a 4x8' run. There is only a small amount of ventalation at two of the peaks. So I started leaving the door open. They did very well that way. ( I DO NOT recommend leaving your coop door open in most cases however). Know your predators and what is around. In my case I have 4 dogs who know the chickens are part of the family. This temperary housing for the ladies was 7' of my back door and a window were my 2 loud-mouth cocker spaniels sleep. They are also good friends of the chickens and are the ones who free range with them. Then a german shepherd and rottweiler for back up. My yard smells like a PACK of predators......... and the cockers will let me know if there is something in the yard before they ever get close to the coop. Most people do not have that luxury.
Also, remember that chicken wire is to keep your chickens in. It will not hold up to predators. Use hardware cloth. You will be much happier.
Hope you enjoy your girls.

The lady with 4 dogs, 4 city chickens, one rabbit with more on the way and a lizard
 
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Well, actually it does -- it suggests that you have something on the order of 1 sq ft of vent opening per chicken or per 10 sq ft of coop area
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Venting on "all four walls" as mentioned in the link, in MHO would be drafty, making any insulation fairly useless in winter.

No, if you read again you will see that I am advocating HAVING vents on more than one wall, but in winter only OPENING the vents on the downwind side.

I put my main vent on the side with the least amount of wind.

Like that, only my way gives you a lot more flexibility and more summertime ventilation
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JMHO, good luck, have fun,

Pat​
 
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Well, actually it does -- it suggests that you have something on the order of 1 sq ft of vent opening per chicken or per 10 sq ft of coop area
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I don't see any mention of this.
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Where did you come up with this formula? I have a fraction of your amount of venting and I've never have issues.
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However, I do live in a dry area.
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The amount of ventilation varies to the amount of ambient humidity one has.

Patandchickens'

Big Ol' VENTILATION Page

Or,

Go out there and cut more holes in your coop!
Now! Really truly!

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Why is ventilation such a big deal?

Because chickens are amazing producers of moisture, ammonia and heat, that's why. Small but mighty! (Mighty messy anyhow).

1) Ventilation removes dampness and humidity from the coop. Chickens generate scary amounts of water vapor, partly through breathing out (same as we do, that's why a mirror fogs when you breathe on it), and largely through pooing (chickens do not urinate as such - all the water they would be peeing out if they were any other sort of animal is contained in their poo). They process a lot more water than you might think. All of this water tends to make the coop air humid. High relative humidity (especially in cooler temperatures) makes chickens more susceptible to respiratory disease and increases the chance of frostbite. Chickens can stand considerable cold without frostbite if the air is dry; not so much if the air is clammy.

2) Ventilation removes ammonia fumes from the coop. Unless you sit there all the time, ready to whisk each plop of poo away to the compost pile the moment it comes out of the chicken, there will be some ammonia being released into your coop's atmosphere. It does not take all that much ammonia to cause subclinical damage to the tissues of the chicken's respiratory tract, which makes the chicken more vulnerable to any respiratory 'bugs' that may be floatin' around the environment. Basically if your nose can smell ammonia, there is enough of it to be harmful to lung tissues.

3) Ventilation usually helps keep the coop from getting too hot in summer. Chickens' bodies perform best below about 75 degrees F; over 90 F they start to have real problems, suffer heat stress, and if it gets too hot they can die, especially larger-bodied and heavier-feathered breeds. Proper ventilation will at least keep your coop from getting any hotter than the outside air.



When do I need ventilation?

Always. Yes, even in cold weather. Yes, even in northern cold weather. Realio trulio. There may be a night now and then when it's so vastly cold you close things down, or if you're having a hurricane you may close the vent flaps and windows so that the weather stays outdoors, but those sorts of things will be rare exceptions, not the rule.



Types of ventilation

Passive (natural) ventilation means that you have openings that air flows through with no help from you or the power grid -- just the natural action of wind and the tendency of warm air to rise. Passive ventilation includes an open window, a ventilation slot, a louvered gable-end vent, that sort of thing.

Passive ventilation is the easiest, cheapest, safest, and most foolproof method for the vast majority of backyard coops, in my opinion. Build lots of it.

Wind turbine ventilation means those spinning turbine things, about the size of a basketball, that you mount on a building's roof. When the wind blows, it spins the blades and they suck air actively out of the coop. This can move a goodly amount of air, but only if the wind is blowing. When the wind stops, it becomes a smallish hole in the roof, period.

Active (mechanical) ventilation means using an electric fan, generally plug-in although small solar powered units do exist. This allows you to get greater air movement with smaller holes in your coop walls, but with several important drawbacks. You really ought to get a fan designed for dusty and outdoorsy environments (designed for barn or workshop use), which costs more - a house fan will very quickly clog with dust and stop working or die altogether. Even appropriate fans need to be cleaned regularly or their performance becomes poor and they can become a fire hazard. Also, if your power supply fails, so does your coop air quality (solar units usually run only when the sun is actually shining on them, so are no use at night).

Opening the door a couple times a day to walk in and out of the coop does not count as 'ventilation', sorry.


So how much ventilation do I need?

More than you probably think. More, proportionately speaking, than you're used to seeing on a house, or doghouse, or garden shed, or things like that. It is really impressive how much water vapor (as well as ammonia and heat) even just a chicken or two will emit, round the clock, day in day out.

So the best answer is probably "as much as (or slightly more than) you can reasonably build". Honestly, that is the simplest, easiest, most foolproof way to go. It is ever so much better to have more than you need than to need more than you have! Especially if "needing more than you have" comes down to a trip out back with the reciprocating saw to hack big ugly holes in your nice pretty trimmed-and-finished coop in the depths of January. Plan ahead.

All vents should have doors/flaps/covers/what-have-you so that parts can be closed down when not desired. Unless you're in a climate that stays fairly warmish year-round, covers should be draft-proof. Either they should fit very snugly, or be weatherstripped in places the chickens can't peck, or (sometimes simplest) the ones you're not going to ever use in cool weather can just be "decommissioned" at the end of the summer, panels bolted over them, and any gaps sealed til Spring in some manner the chickens won't peck at. In areas where cool weather is not all that cool and only lasts a few months, you can reverse the concept -- just build one or more walls entirely of wire (on studs) and simply cover 'em with plywood or plastic for your so-called winter.

If you live in a hot climate, you need large areas of ventilation that can be opened up on all 4 walls, and really it is best if one or more walls can be pretty much removed entirely so they're just screen (like hardwarecloth). In a climate where it never gets really all that hot, you can probably skip the whole-wall-coming-off part... unless you are in a desert-y area with giant temperature swings from day to night, in which case you may still want something of that sort. But even up North it is far-and-away best to have the ability to fling open the hatches and get lots and lots of fresh air. If nothing else, this will be of great assistance to you in drying the coop out if you should ever find yourself needing to hose down or disinfect the inside!

Securely screen your vents, whatever the size, with something like hardwarecloth that predators can't rip off, climb between, or grab handsfulls of chickens through.

"What if I just use a hole-saw to put a buncha 2" holes in the walls and screen them, that'll be good, right?" Unfortunately, a 2" diameter hole is about 3 square inches of total area. To put this in perspective, a square foot is 144 square inches. You would need almost 50 holes to equal one square foot of ventilation, and a typical coop is going to need MUCH more than just one square foot of ventilation! So, no little round holes. You want actual decent-sized openings, like 6" x 4' or 1'x3' or like that, on most if not all of the walls.

Ventilation yes: drafts NO

While ventilation aka air exchange is necessary and good, having cold air aimed right at your chickens is BAD. (I'm talking about in cool weather, here, not your 'pleasant cooling breeze on stifling August day' which would of course be good.) Small "air leak" type gaps can also cause condensation and frost, which nullifies much of the value of what ventilation you have. So you need to design your ventilation intelligently.

Ventilation that you'll be using in cool/cold weather (i.e. all year-round) should be high up above chicken level, at the tops of the walls, ideally protected from rain and wind to some degree by roof overhangs. You can put vent slots, long and relatively narrow, atop all four walls. (By narrow I mean like 4"-8" wide or something like that, not an inch or two width of 'arrow slot', unless it is a small coop for just a couple few chickens.) Vents near the roost are good in hot weather but bad in cold weather. Ask yourself "will a chicken experience a noticeable breeze on the roost in the winter?" If yes, arrange things so you can shut down those vents when temperatures drop.

You'll want additional ventilation for warmer weather, that can (should!) be lower down where the chickens can catch some breeze. Windows work; giant removable wall panels work; that sort of thing.

Do the coop 'people door' and pophole count? Sort of. I mean, yes, they do provide ventilation when they are open, but remember that they will not always be open and you need to be able to provide sufficient airflow even when they aren't. I would not suggest counting on them towards your basic ventilation needs.

Manage your ventilation intelligently -- you will want to change the amount that's open according to the weather, although as mentioned you don't want to shut it all down except in very rare instances. Sometimes you'll want to close upwind vents if it's getting too windy in the coop on a windy day.

In a really windy site, you may want to build some sort of baffle or hood for some of the usually-upwind vents (the high year-round ones) to blunt the force of the wind.

What about winter? Don't I need to close the vents to keep the chickens warm?

NO. Well ok, yeah, you will close some of them down, relative to summer conditions; but you still need a goodly amount of air exchange going on, so you cannot shut your ventilation off.

In some ways ventilation is actually more important in winter because cold air can't hold nearly so much water vapor before it gets saturated i.e. really damp and humid and clammy, i.e. you're trolling for frostbite and respiratory disease.

So yes, your vents will be letting in cold air, but you know what, that's OK as long as it is not breezing down directly at your chickens. If you're concerned about the chickens getting too cold -- although most standard-sized breeds are fine down to freezing and significantly below, as long as the air is dry and relatively still and they have an appropriate-width roost and plenty of food -- then insulate your coop. And yes, insulation is quite useful even with vents open (for some reason this issue comes up often); would you think it pointless to wear a winter coat just 'cuz you had no hat on?
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What insulation does is reduce heat loss from the coop so that you can afford to admit more cold air without making the place too cold.

In a super-cold climate, and let me say that I do not consider southern Ontario Canada where I live to fall into this category (!), you may want to think about arranging for your vents to be taking air in from a somewhat thermally-buffered source... a predatorproofed flue run along the ground a ways and covered in insulation, or a translucently-enclosed space that the sun warms, or the building's attic, or a larger barn, or like that.

Some links with useful further information about ventilating chicken quarters:

They're mostly aimed at big commercial barns (poultry and otherwise), but there is a lot that applies just as well to our little backyard coops, so take a look:


http://www.ces.purdue.edu/extmedia/AE/AE-97.html
http://www3.abe.iastate.edu/livestock/n … lation.asp
http://www3.abe.iastate.edu/livestock/troubleshoot.asp
http://www3.abe.iastate.edu/livestock/summary_vent.asp
http://www.aviagen.com/docs/AviaTechWinterVent.pdf
 
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Huh, that's interesting, it must have fallen out somehow in a revision, it was in there before! Thank you for bringing that to my attention -- I will fix it in a few minutes!
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Where did you come up with this formula?

It is not a formula, it is a suggestion as to what will usually guarantee you enough (except in hot-summer areas). You won't *always* need that amount, but because it is impossible to predict exactly what a PARTICULAR coop will need, I think it is useful to offer a rule of thumb that will work for most people. If you do not consider "experience" and "general practice in livestock housing" to be sufficient reference for the numbers, I would point out that Gail Damerow's book suggests pretty much the same thing, and if you do the math on cfm-per-#-animals type recommendations for poultry or any other livestock you will see that they come out in this ballpark for passively ventilated barns. Thus, I think it is a reasonable number both on practical and theoretical grounds.

I have a fraction of your amount of venting and I've never have issues.
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However, I do live in a dry area.
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The amount of ventilation varies to the amount of ambient humidity one has.

Yes, exactly. My advice is directed to EVERYONE, in terms of maximizing the chances a person will not turn out to be underventilated -- there is nothing whatsoever wrong with turning out to have more ventilation than one needs (although honestly in the summer there is no reason not to have LOTS AND LOTS of ventilation open, for temperature and "pleasantness" reasons), whereas coming up short IS a problem.

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hmm I just put ventilation on the floor with very small hardware cloth... that way the wind doesn't come blowing into the coop
 

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