I don't know why I even open the Predator and Pest index. It just makes me furious. I realize some folks on this board are inexperienced and don't know better at first and I realize that dogs and other predators can rip through wire etc. during the day and kill chickens and well bears are almost unstoppable. HOWEVER, by reading many of these posts over the last two months or so I can tell many have experience in rasing birds but simply don't do what is necessary to protect their birds or a bit of laziness steps in. I have lost a few birds over my 40+ years of experience but it was never for lack of proper facilities. I have had numerous people over the years ask me about raising chickens and show interest in raising birds for many reasons. The FIRST thing I PREACH is predator protection or don't BOTHER!!!, you are simply wasting your time and money. If you don't build, construct or buy a 100% predator proof coop there is simply no point in having birds!!!! The predators will always find them. I feel better know, If some of you may want to rip me for expressing my opinions so let me have it.