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I understand what you mean, these are fly pens where I keep my breeding stock. I don't use traditional coop set ups, I use these fly pens as chickens do much better outside in my opinion, I just use the barrels so they can get out of the bad weather if they want, and I put tarps over the top of the pens in the winter months. I also try to free range everything I can, but have large fly pens for stuff that I can't allow to free range.