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You know what TF, your right, there are times when this forum talks about other stuff, and maybe that's because a lot of us have gotten to know others here through this forum and we feel for them, we support them, in chickens, in horse in sickness, ect. And yes Greg this is America, I was so proud to be an American I decided to Serve for her, and I'm glad I did! If we weren't free, we wouldn't be able to have this discussion. Everyone has religious freedom here, and yes this forum is probably not the place to air that, and I don't think anyone in the last few post PUSHED anything, I have seen posts from others about other issues, I have posted my own. I come to this forum because it is familiar, and most of the time supportive of everything, and I have gotten to know many on this forum personally, I'm sorry the discussion doesn't always center on poultry ect. But, I for one am glad that I can come to a place where I have friends who, may or may not listen, may or may not have a response to my post, it's their prerogative. And yes Greg there has been talk of drunks and chi-mos and pain and hurt, I personally apologize to anyone I may have offended or embarrassed with my recent ravings, it won't happen again. I would hate to think that some of my friends on here would feel ostracized because they shared their illness and pain and we told them "you can't say that it's not about poultry" Believe me when I say there have been some topics on here that made me want to jump in with two feet and get down and dirty, but I haven't, it just an opinion. I hope with all my heart that both you TF and Greg try to look at the good stuff that comes with this thread, and the very good people who are on it. I respect and admire both of you for your beliefs and knowledge. I hope we can all respect others who don't necessarily believe as each individual has the freedom to do.