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[TheReidHomestead]

So I'm in lockdown and we had our first chick hatch this afternoon! Another of Shannon's Crele OEGB! Hatch day is supposed to be Saturday!

We ended up with 13 BLRW and 5 Crele's at lockdown. The Crele's and 6 of the BLRW are our own. The other 7 BLRW are a mix of two other breeders. I'm sad NONE of the Lav Cochins made it. I just need to get a pair of good type black bantam hens or pullets and breed our own. We have the roo, but only one blue hen. I need black to work this project! Anyone have any for sale?

 

[Chickielady]

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Boy I have been gone all day working and look at the venting !!!!!!!!

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Everybody vent !!!!!!!

 

[Chickielady]

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The Animal Rights and Earth First activists have been touting these false fears since the 60's. I once read several years ago that if you rounded up every single person on the whole earth, you could put them all in the state of Utah and have room left over. So much for overpopulation.

As for running out of water, I recruit Civil Engineers and we are nowhere close to running out of water. Moreover, we probably have more water than we did a hundred years ago. Does anyone remember all the glaciers that are melting? And the oceans are supposedly rising? And not only is there probably more water in general but there is a whole lot more clean, drinkable water on the earth now than there ever has been. Oh, and that would be thanks to man and the wisdom that God gave him. People are living a much healthier and longer life in many areas of this world that they ever did before because they now have the ability to possess clean water.

I used to be very heavily involved in the Environmental Movement. After years and years of reading the stuff that many of those organizations were spouting, I began to see more and more inconsistencies and contradictions in the arguments and logic. If one chooses to look into it as well and really study what they claim, I think they will too.

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Are you going to volunteer to be first? Who is?

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Number 1) Says who? On what authority do you make this claim?
Number 2) Animals never have nor should they ever have equal rights with human beings. There is even an attempt underway at this very time for animals to be given legal rights and lawyers who are lining up to defend them. God help us all when that happens.
Number 3) Animals, plants, insects, you-name-it have been going extinct since the beginning of time. They always have. They always will.
Number 4) It is not selfishness to put human beings ahead of animals. If that means "wiping them off the planet" in order to sustain human life, then that's the way it is. Humans MUST be the priority. And for anyone to make the claim otherwise is just flat outright hypocrisy. Every time you eat an egg, you kill a potential chicken (or duck or goose or what-have-you). Does no one on here eat chicken? Each and every one of us humans have a better life because we use animals in one form or another. It is NOT selfishness to put humans first. It is simply following the natural order for which life was intended to be.
Number 5) There is a book that I read that makes the claim to be the final authority and I believe it is. That book makes the claim that there is a God who is in control and that man is not. Personally, I think if one thinks that humans can actually control this earth and what happens on it, well that's just laughable. Everything on this earth is far too complex for man to ever be in control - though many think they can be.

The Bible is clear, Genesis 1:26-30 says, "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so." The emphasis in both is mine of course.

And that makes it about as clear as it can get. There is ONLY one creation made in the image and likeness of God and that is man. No animal ever was or ever will be equal to man. One can choose to disregard the "authority" which I use but at least I have one. It is not my own. It is not my "brain" or lack thereof on which I rely. In fact, I am saying that I choose to accept an "authority" which is far and above over any intelligence that any man could ever have.

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Not only was it not necessary but I've never met a parent or a couple yet that sat down and said, "You know dear, I need a kid to mow the lawn, and one to do the dishes, and one to feed the chickens, and one to clean the house, and one to plow the field, etc. etc." I mean who did that? Who does that? You'd have to be awful self-centered to be thinking ahead like that.

No, rather I believe "Happy is the man whose quiver is full of arrows."

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Again... Says who? On what authority do you make this claim? Define "overbreed". Define "rape". But before you do, you better be able to back it up because I can guarantee you that your definition can be taken to an even greater extreme by somebody. By some "man" who thinks his or her definition of a "right" is more accurate and better than yours. And who says animals have rights?????????? What rights? To what extent? Who decides that??? Oh yeah, the lawyers that are lining up to defend those rights. Now I remember. Give me a break! People are you ready for that???????????

Animals do not have rights. Mankind has a responsibility to manage animals in manner that reflects good stewardship. The idea that animals could even have rights came out of the mentality that animals are somehow equal to man. That is a lie. And I personally believe it is a lie that came from decades of promoting another lie which claims that we are nothing more than a by-product of monkeys and ultimately some Amoeba or something that splashed up onto the earth. There is a very real distinction between man and animals. Mankind has rights and as our Declaration of Independence claims, those rights are inalienable and given by God. Animals have no such thing. Man simply has the very real and serious responsibility of being a good steward of those animals for which he or she is entrusted with.

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Again... Says who? On what authority do you make this claim? I just stated my authority for the opposite above. If we are not hear to rule over and use, then who or what is? Do you really expect to have some lawyer come in an argue that you have no right to eat an egg because you are supposedly killing the innocent life and procreation of the chicken who laid it?

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Again, do you volunteer to go first? Anyone else on here volunteer to go first so that some dog, cat, or chicken can live a little longer?

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Rant, yes. Inconvenient, yes. Truth, not even close. For it to be Truth it would have to be arguably supported, logical, and assume at least some measure of a "reasonable man's theory". All one has to do is look at the rhetorical questions I've posed to see that this kind of "truth" has more holes that Swiss Cheese.

Finally, it is this kind of discussion that is really a good thing to have and it is related to poultry if one thinks about it. I assume everyone on here either at least has chickens or has a keen interest in them since they are coming to BYC. Chickens are a part of our everyday life but they fit WITHIN our overall world view. Several times it has been stated that "man has no right". And it's been stated that we are not here to "rule over and use". And I ask, can any of us really say with any degree of intellectual honesty that we don't "rule over and use"? We all do and there is simply no way of getting around that. So it is not a matter of "if" we do but rather "how" and more importantly "WHO" gets to decide. As for me an my house, I choose to put my trust in those who believe that man is vastly different than animals and NOT on equal par. I do NOT want some person making the rules who believes that a chicken, duck, monkey, dog, cat, cow, you-name-it animal has the same rights as I do. Do you?

So we all must decide, do we put our trust in mankind or in God who knows all, sees all, and is all. His Book says, "There is a way that seems right unto a man and that way leads to death" and "thinking themselves to be wise, they became fools." Given what I've seen man do and call intelligent, personally it's really easy for me to go with the latter.

God Bless,

And where does your truth come from ?
A mythological novel ?
For crying out loud, read the paper, read anything !
Having a rising sea does NOTHING to replenish water in the largest aquafirs all across the United States, this is like argueing with a 2 year old, like I said before, My end of discussion.
Basta. ( giant eye roll here !)

 

[DIYSeattle]

Everybody vent

I already know what I am, but mammals dont have vents.

For the Chehalis thing, I wish that it wouldnt be snowing. Not that I am afraid of the snow, but I went Bigfoot hunting with a guy from work and it started snowing and it too us forever to get home. It takes 4 or 5 hours to get there normally but in the snow it took us an astronomically longer amount of time to get back. Id hate to have to spend 6 or 8 hours driving back home to Seattle while it was snowing.​

 

[Chickielady]

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Hurray!!!!!!!!!

 

[Chickielady]

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Depends on where from Cal,

Just need a warm coop thats predator proof, most common predator is raccoon and opossum and hawks/eagles in the north Seattle area.
But depending on where you live you might have coyotes, bears, fishers, etc.

Don't forget Cougar and neighbor dogs... Oh and neighbors, and kids... lol sorry I have had issues with people going in my coop, letting the girls out, taking eggs.....

who is stealing your eggs ????
Did you catch someone doing that ?
Is that why you were not getting any eggs ?

 

[Greg Richardson]

I guess my only other complaint is alot of ppl from the west side come over here buy prime ag land at a high price and then build ridiculously huge homes, and they are just vacation homes... and because of them, last year property taxes here were assessed with a 200% increase. many locals are having to move because homes they have been in all their life, they suddenly cant afford the taxes (and these are small, modest homes).

Welcome to my world. LOL!

We have to expect over the years things will change but some times it blows us away to see the change we had no idea would be so drastic.

We moved out here about 8 miles east of Duvall in what was once nothing but horses, cows, chickens, you get the picture.

Then came Microsoft and some other tech and related companies millionaire boom that went on for some time.

Before you knew it huge homes built.

Those city people brought their lights with them I guess they afraid of the dark at night.
Us country people like to walk outside at night and see the stars.

I never have found anything in the dark that my dog won't find first before trouble comes at night nor in the day light.
Country people have their ways.

Then with the fancy houses came the paved drive ways. Use to be all gravel drive ways.
I could go on but you know where I'm going.

And now property taxes so high I have done many remodel jobs just sick to my stomach as the home owners get to know me they break down some crying as they tell me they've been in their home for 40 years but they can't afford to stay due to property taxes.
You have no idea how bad that hurts to see a seniors face full of pain knowing they are leaving everything they know for a place they never thought in a million years they'd have to go.

The AMERICAN dream right?
Pay off your house and live happy ever after.
What a crock of crap that has become for so many.

It doesn't have to be this way if they were good stewards of the money they got in the first place.

Here is a perfect example. I posted this on my message board................

How many times have you heard politicians say but we have no where else to cut expenses? What a crock of CRAP that is.

I could cut millions in the first day of going through the books and save BILLIONS going forward from ridiculous projects going forward.

Below is a perfect example.
First of all they decided to Gamble 2.3 million on an unknown out come.

Second, I don't care that you who bought a house next to a bridge over I-5 and you think it's noisy.
You were already compensated for that noise when you bought the house. WAKE UP!

Same with people who bought next to an airport.






$2.3M project isn't cutting noise much on I-5 bridge
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2013344422_soundpanels05m.html
By The Associated Press


The initial testing of noise control panels installed on the Interstate 5 Ship Canal Bridge in Seattle shows they are not reducing traffic sounds as much as expected.

Recent tests found a reduction of only a decibel or two. Officials had expected a reduction of four or five decibels, The Seattle Daily Journal of Commerce reports.

The Transportation Department had a contractor install 700 baffles under the highways upper deck at a cost of $2.3 million.

Some neighbors report a big reduction in noise, but others haven't noticed any.



Another example of no stewardship of our tax $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Another post...............

To add to that disaster they are spending 200 BILLION on a transit system that will never EVER pay for it's self. Take a good guess what I'd do with that?

OK, lets assume I had no control over stopping that where could I save the working man his hard earned $$$$$$$$$$$$$!!! then?

Wouldn't be hard when I'd say you can take your 1% for art and stick it where the sun don't shine.

That is $200 MILLION on art projects to go up around the transit run.

In these same neighborhoods these people need health insurance.
They need to not be taxed out of their homes so they can afford to live there.

The people who they'd like to get a job with need to be let alone by the government not red taped to death, taxed to death, regulated to death so they can afford to hire you.

This isn't rocket science. Doesn't take 5 degrees to understand basic business principles along with basic means to survive.

But hey art work is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo important!
People's lives come SECOND! ​

 

[Chickielady]

I painted the outside of the entire shop, and then moved on to the barn coop, painted it, all 16 feet, moved on to the new marans coop, and now I am covered with paint and finally get to sit a minute.
Well should be fine, will be dealt with in a week...DH was going to California to visit Mom and Dad and take some BBS marans eggs with him for Dad, but Dad (Pheasant Farm) has put his big commercial incubators away for the year, and he is not going to start them up for a few eggs, so I can have an omelette, or I can give them to someone...these are Madelynbelle BBS Maran eggs, very nice, birds just started laying 3 weeks ago so eggs are still small but will get jumbo to large size...PM me, and now, I will go finish dinner.
Guess I better get the Thanksgiving smilies out now, huh ?
It looks so blank without them...And can you believe that Tanksgiving is coming up so fast ???
I am thankful our weather so far has been so pleasant, it has been in the 70s and 80s here on our little farm... hope we have a mellow winter, and not the scarey cold/snowy winter that has been repeated predicted by La Nina.

Oh geeze I almost forgot:::
Remember we were talking about Possums a few days ago ?
Well, we went to my parents in Elma, and they are in their late 70s...so Dad is whispering something to DH and they get up and come back into the living room, and like a dweeb DH says "well, have you tried to shoot it with a pellet gun ?"
Boy that put my Mom on red alert, she stopped knitting and looked at Dad..so finally he say DH could you not keep quiet ?
Too late, now Mom knows all about the possum in the basement that made a big nest out of her basket weaving stuff...Dad calls it her 'flamible debris pile' it is reed and rafia...Mom is so freaked out now she will never go down in the basement again in her life.

Dad found the hole it was getting in and sealed it off.

 

[Chicken Rustler]

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Chehalis is exit 79 from I-5. I think it is basically 2 hours. And while there is always a chance we don't normally get much snow in December.

ANYBODY care to make a STUPID argument over my opinion too !!!

 

[Chickielady]

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Welcome to my world. LOL!

We have to expect over the years things will change but some times it blows us away to see the change we had no idea would be so drastic.

We moved out here about 8 miles east of Duvall in what was once nothing but horses, cows, chickens, you get the picture.

Then came Microsoft and some other tech and related companies millionaire boom that went on for some time.

Before you knew it huge homes built.

Those city people brought their lights with them I guess they afraid of the dark at night.
Us country people like to walk outside at night and see the stars.

I never have found anything in the dark that my dog won't find first before trouble comes at night nor in the day light.
Country people have their ways.

Then with the fancy houses came the paved drive ways. Use to be all gravel drive ways.
I could go on but you know where I'm going.

And now property taxes so high I have done many remodel jobs just sick to my stomach as the home owners get to know me they break down some crying as they tell me they've been in their home for 40 years but they can't afford to stay due to property taxes.
You have no idea how bad that hurts to see a seniors face full of pain knowing they are leaving everything they know for a place they never thought in a million years they'd have to go.

The AMERICAN dream right?
Pay off your house and live happy ever after.
What a crock of crap that has become for so many.

It doesn't have to be this way if they were good stewards of the money they got in the first place.

Here is a perfect example. I posted this on my message board................

How many times have you heard politicians say but we have no where else to cut expenses? What a crock of CRAP that is.

I could cut millions in the first day of going through the books and save BILLIONS going forward from ridiculous projects going forward.

Below is a perfect example.
First of all they decided to Gamble 2.3 million on an unknown out come.

Second, I don't care that you who bought a house next to a bridge over I-5 and you think it's noisy.
You were already compensated for that noise when you bought the house. WAKE UP!

Same with people who bought next to an airport.






$2.3M project isn't cutting noise much on I-5 bridge
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2013344422_soundpanels05m.html
By The Associated Press


The initial testing of noise control panels installed on the Interstate 5 Ship Canal Bridge in Seattle shows they are not reducing traffic sounds as much as expected.

Recent tests found a reduction of only a decibel or two. Officials had expected a reduction of four or five decibels, The Seattle Daily Journal of Commerce reports.

The Transportation Department had a contractor install 700 baffles under the highways upper deck at a cost of $2.3 million.

Some neighbors report a big reduction in noise, but others haven't noticed any.



Another example of no stewardship of our tax $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Another post...............

To add to that disaster they are spending 200 BILLION on a transit system that will never EVER pay for it's self. Take a good guess what I'd do with that?

OK, lets assume I had no control over stopping that where could I save the working man his hard earned $$$$$$$$$$$$$!!! then?

Wouldn't be hard when I'd say you can take your 1% for art and stick it where the sun don't shine.

That is $200 MILLION on art projects to go up around the transit run.

In these same neighborhoods these people need health insurance.
They need to not be taxed out of their homes so they can afford to live there.

The people who they'd like to get a job with need to be let alone by the government not red taped to death, taxed to death, regulated to death so they can afford to hire you.

This isn't rocket science. Doesn't take 5 degrees to understand basic business principles along with basic means to survive.

But hey art work is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo important!
People's lives come SECOND!

I cannot believe the transformation of Duvall, Snohomish, Carnation ! Where there were so many dairies now there is one....in Duvall...we grew up there, and there is no farms anymore.
It just gets bigger, more people, the prices go up due to demand...it is awful.
It is almost like after all the work you have done, now you have to move away because the taxes and population will squeeze you away.
Sad.