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[FirewifeJess]

Quote: While I do agree that things as far as race are still unfair and I wish it would level out I have no problem with what people in prison endure. They are the ones that made the choices to get them there. They should not be aloud choices in any aspect as they have proven that they can not handle making correct choices. Knowing full well that if they are to get caught they would end up in jail/prison. I am glad they took smoking out of prison as that is a luxury they do not deserve. Things like T.V., computer/ Internet, and weight rooms have no place in a prison. I am very old fashioned and I believe that Rape, murder, intent to murder and things of those natures should be punishable by death, not life with pleasures and no responsibilities, but you are guilty go out back and be shot kind of thing.
Why is it shocking that I compare grounding to prison? I have 5 children, 8yrs, 9yrs,10yrs,11yrs and 12yrs. They are children so they still have their days but they are pretty well behaved children. Now when they make the choice to go against the rules or to do something they have been taught to know is wrong they are grounded. Depending on the level of what they did of corse. But grounded means no T.V., video games, no friends houses or friends over, no phone and these are just kids, when they make the choice to do wrong these are the punishments. So why should adults that know better and do worse and actual crimes get to have these things????
Now remember this is all just my opinion and I do not wish to make everyone think the way I do. Just as I do not mind if religious people talk about what they believe as long as they don't try pushing their beliefs on others.

....and now I'm really gone. LOL Bye all!

 

[Farmin Momma]

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Just because you don't believe in Him doesn't mean He didn't create you or that He doesn't believe in you and love you very much. I'm not forcing anything on you. If I were, I'd probably be breaking down your door with a gun, like some kind of terrorist. There's a big difference. Many people believe in tolerance unless it has to do with Christianity, which (if you look at the Bible) believes that there is only ONE way to know God and get to heaven; this is not to be taken lightly or as some form of elitism as well; God, through His unending mercy has saved me through Jesus Christ, and anyone else who believes can be saved as well. Just because we believe that doesn't mean we are forcing it on anyone though. Also, if you're secure in your atheism, it really shouldn't bother you if someone says you were made by God. Why not just ignore it? I certainly ignore others' beliefs as false and won't argue (unless one wishes to pleasantly discuss the topic) about my sweet Savior who is so full of grace and mercy for me and others who pursue Him. Now if I was spouting off that you were going to hell, you would have the right to be a bit offended, but I have never, and would never assume or condemn anyone; it's God's place to judge and not mine. I am glad to have found a place here to talk chickens and get to know you all...and now that I have spilled my beliefs, I think I'll head out to make lunch for my kidlets and spend some time in God's creation. Blessings to everyone today.
I do not think that FireWifeJess was trying to puch anything on you. But belifes are things everyone is Passionate about no mater what you do or do not belive in, and when one talks about things they are Passionate about they spill their heart as they see it. I have on several occations had people try their hardest to push their religion on me (as I do not belive in God) and I have become very good at deturing them polightly if they are being polite and in no way do I think FWJ was going there, she was just speeking from her heart as she sees and feels!

 

[UrbanEnthusiast]

While I do agree that things as far as race are still unfair and I wish it would level out I have no problem with what people in prison endure. They are the ones that made the choices to get them there. They should not be aloud choices in any aspect as they have proven that they can not handle making correct choices. Knowing full well that if they are to get caught they would end up in jail/prison. I am glad they took smoking out of prison as that is a luxury they do not deserve. Things like T.V., computer/ Internet, and weight rooms have no place in a prison. I am very old fashioned and I believe that Rape, murder, intent to murder and things of those natures should be punishable by death, not life with pleasures and no responsibilities, but you are guilty go out back and be shot kind of thing.
Why is it shocking that I compare grounding to prison? I have 5 children, 8yrs, 9yrs,10yrs,11yrs and 12yrs. They are children so they still have their days but they are pretty well behaved children. Now when they make the choice to go against the rules or to do something they have been taught to know is wrong they are grounded. Depending on the level of what they did of corse. But grounded means no T.V., video games, no friends houses or friends over, no phone and these are just kids, when they make the choice to do wrong these are the punishments. So why should adults that know better and do worse and actual crimes get to have these things????
Now remember this is all just my opinion and I do not wish to make everyone think the way I do. Just as I do not mind if religious people talk about what they believe as long as they don't try pushing their beliefs on others.

I don't support the death penalty, but I do believe in isolating violent people from society. However, most prisoners have never been convicted of a violent crime, but rather are incarcerated for drug-related charges. I'm not sure what punishment really accomplishes. I'm more supportive of rehabilitation wherever possible. And no, crime is not always a choice. For instance, my old boyfriend had a teenaged son who lived in an impoverished neighborhood and attended a very rough high school in Tacoma where gang activity was rampant. If he didn't join a gang, he was totally unprotected and vulnerable to daily beatings as well as lord knows what else. So his choices were either to get beat up every day or worse, or join a gang and carry a gun. When he got caught on the street at night at age 16 with a gun on him, he went to juvenile detention. That's just one example of how this "choice" you say exists really isn't as simple as you may think. For many prisoners, the only alternative is homelessness. That's "freedom" for ya.

And no, grounding your kids is not the same as prison. How would you feel if your kids went to federal prison for punishment rather than continuing to be fed healthy food in the safe, loving, supportive home you provide?

Just because you don't believe in Him doesn't mean He didn't create you or that He doesn't believe in you and love you very much. I'm not forcing anything on you. If I were, I'd probably be breaking down your door with a gun, like some kind of terrorist. There's a big difference. Many people believe in tolerance unless it has to do with Christianity, which (if you look at the Bible) believes that there is only ONE way to know God and get to heaven; this is not to be taken lightly or as some form of elitism as well; God, through His unending mercy has saved me through Jesus Christ, and anyone else who believes can be saved as well. Just because we believe that doesn't mean we are forcing it on anyone though. Also, if you're secure in your atheism, it really shouldn't bother you if someone says you were made by God. Why not just ignore it? I certainly ignore others' beliefs as false and won't argue (unless one wishes to pleasantly discuss the topic) about my sweet Savior who is so full of grace and mercy for me and others who pursue Him. Now if I was spouting off that you were going to hell, you would have the right to be a bit offended, but I have never, and would never assume or condemn anyone; it's God's place to judge and not mine. I am glad to have found a place here to talk chickens and get to know you all...and now that I have spilled my beliefs, I think I'll head out to make lunch for my kidlets and spend some time in God's creation. Blessings to everyone today.

Jess, I would never tell you that you were created by any means other than that which you believe. That is because I respect your beliefs. If you believe you were created by the deity portrayed in the Christian bible, I won't argue with that. All I ask is that you in turn please respect my belief that I was created by an entirely natural, sexual process that has nothing to do with your deity or any other. To tell me how I was created is to assume that I'm too stupid or ignorant to make up my own mind on the matter. And no, I will not ignore anything simply because you tell me to. It is quite convenient for you that you can just dismiss anyone who protests to your projecting your religion onto them that they must simply not be secure in their own beliefs.

 

[Farmin Momma]

Ha Ha, I went for a little walk around the front of our property out by the road and found our chicken/dog Huney! She was just over at the neighbors yard cleaning up some bugs for them. Hope they don't mind a chicken in their yard, but at least I now know why MY chickens cross the road....

Sorry I just had to say that!

 

[Farmin Momma]

Quote: Ok well first I am talking about adults in Jail or Prison not children in Juvenile detention because at that point it falls on the parrents. Weather they are not making good choices for how they raise their kids or where they are putting their children in harms way. I am not saying that all situations mean the parents are not personaly teaching their children the way they should, but in some situations you have to make the choice as a parent to raise your children where they are in danger or to move them out of harms way by any means possible. So in that childs situation it was the parents fault for not removing him from that horrible place.

I am more comparing grounding to prison as they are the end results of breaking rules. Why if a 10 year old can not watch t.v. or talk on the phone because he hit some one that made him mad (when he knows as a 10yr old that it is wrong) should an adult get to have t.v., phone, internet and time for family and friends when he/she as an adult made the decision to take or sell drugs which they know is wrong?

 

[RainyDayChicken]

You want to get roofing screws not tacks. the plastic will crack and split if tacks are used. pilot a hole with the drill and screw in the roofing screws. this also makes it easy to unscrew and move/exchange/replace panels if needed.

Also over time "tacks" (nails) will work loose. Screws rarely work loose and wood can't reject screws. 

I understand how both of these work I was just offering a cheaper way to do the same job. The screw will crack the plastic if you tighten them to tight. I have used both and seen the "tacks" (nails) hold in hurricane force winds. I know we are all trying to find ways to save money.

 

[UrbanEnthusiast]

Ok well first I am talking about adults in Jail or Prison not children in Juvenile detention because at that point it falls on the parrents. Weather they are not making good choices for how they raise their kids or where they are putting their children in harms way. I am not saying that all situations mean the parents are not personaly teaching their children the way they should, but in some situations you have to make the choice as a parent to raise your children where they are in danger or to move them out of harms way by any means possible. So in that childs situation it was the parents fault for not removing him from that horrible place.

I am more comparing grounding to prison as they are the end results of breaking rules. Why if a 10 year old can not watch t.v. or talk on the phone because he hit some one that made him mad (when he knows as a 10yr old that it is wrong) should an adult get to have t.v., phone, internet and time for family and friends when he/she as an adult made the decision to take or sell drugs which they know is wrong?

If removing one's children from troubled, impoverished situations were easy, everyone would do it and there would be no more poverty and no more gangs. My BF simply didn't have the money to just pick up and move, and besides, he didn't have custody, anyway. He himself grew up on an Indian reservation in an alcoholic home, so he had his own demons to battle. I had to break up with him because I realized he was a cocaine addict. These matters are just not as simple as you claim, and the root of all these problems is poverty and lack of opportunity. I personally don't believe that all drugs are wrong. Even Jesus drank wine, and alcohol is a much more addictive and harmful drug than some others which are illegal in this country. And you can make rules for your kids, but they are children and in need of your guidance. Unless someone is actually harming others, I don't think our government has a right to decide what is right and what is wrong for adult citizens.

 

[VelvettFog]

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Would a 20gal. tank make a big enough brooder for 3-5 chicks? I can't picture the size from a gallon reference...

Not really. Even a 20 long (vs a 20 tall) is not very big. You'd be ok for a week or three max.

 

[VelvettFog]

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[VelvettFog]

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Another very good post!!