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I also looked on BYC for more information
Speckled Hen 9-8-2008 said
I have wormed my three year old flock twice. The first time was at almost two years old because I saw a worm in one of the roosters poops. I did it again several months later due to very wet weather and seeing them eat lots of worms from the ground. If you use Ivomec EPRINEX pour-on for cattle, you use a needleless syringe and squirt 1/2 cc behind the neck of the larger birds and 1/4 cc for bantams. Reapply in two weeks or so to get later-hatching worm eggs.
The rest of the time, I use natural wormers like buttermilk with chopped unsalted pumpkin seeds. It paralyzes the worms so they can be expelled in the poop. There is a follow-up with molasses in water to help the poop flow, so to speak and get those worms out. That's more of a preventative than a cure for a heavy load of worms, though. I dont plan to worm my birds unless I feel there is a specific reason. With Eprinex, there is no milk or meat withdrawal with cattle, so I continue eating eggs after using that. That would be up to you, though. Invermectin use would necessitate a withdrawal period, but it's only a guess for the actual time. I would do two weeks after the last meds are given, but that is really a guess.
SMFritch said
My vets both told me not to use Invermectin if you are going to eat the chicken or the egg because it can stay in their systems (and eggs) for months. We have used a compound called Wazine 17 and it seems to do the job. They recommend that you don't eat the chickens or the eggs for at least five days after treatment. It's also approved by the FDA and NADA for use on chickens, turkeys and swine. Just my two cents....Steven
Chickiebaby said
btw, pumpkin seeds work wonders in people to, for worms, for giardia, for all kinds of things
Speckled Hen said Wazine will only get roundworms. There are many others it wont even touch, like gapeworm, hookworms, capillary worms, tapeworms, etc
Keljonma said ,We have never wormed our flock and they are over 2 years old. We do however, feed the ground unsalted pumpkin seeds and buttermilk and garlic on a regular basis. As speckledhen said, this is preventative. So far, we have seen worms, but no live ones. We have some egg customers that have compromised immune systems, so we prefer not to use chemicals on our flock or give them drugs.
Speckled hen said The grocery store has bulk bins of seeds and dried fruits and that's where I get mine. Also, the health food store in town has organic ones, just a bit more expensive than Ingle's. I feed that to them once a week mostly, but sometime skip a week. Heck, buttermilk is very expensive these days, but no more so than chemicals and other less desirable stuff, right? In the winter, I use the buttermilk to cool down oatmeal a bit on a warm morning and add the seeds to that. They love it.
Ginasmarans said I usually buy pumkins after Thanksgiving,when the price gos way down. i just break them on the ground and let the hens have them at will. I have not mixed them with buttermilk. Do I need to? What does that do?
Speckled hen said Gina, I dont remember exactly what it does. Something about the acidity/pH in there that helps with the expelling process.
Gritar said Speckled, I'd like to try the pumpkin seed/buttermilk method if I can find unsalted pumpkin seeds in bulk in this podunk town. I wormed all my chicks with DE awhile back, while they were still on grower crumbles. It cleared up the few cases of runny poo I had for everybody but my one rooster. His poo is still kinda runny, so I was thinking of worming him again. I've never seen worms, just the runny poo.
About the molasses follow up, how much in a gallon of water, for how long?
Speckled hen said It's a pint to 5 gallons of water, according to my bookmarked webpage. Check this page out-it has other solutions you can make.
http://www.msstate.edu/dept/poultry/extsoln.htm
Keljonma said
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I saw on their website that VermX is now available in the US.
Yesterday I emailed the person listed as the US contact (Karen Jenne) and I just got an email from her with the price list and web brochure this evening.
http://www.vermx.com/International%20Distributors.htm
I just thought I would pass this on to anyone interested.
CDFarm said The Verm-x website in the USA is www.verm-xusa.com
Cocosandy said I know that this thread is a little old, but I wanted to make sure that you all know that all of the natural remedies that youre speaking of here from DE to buttermilk to pumpkin seeds are preventative and curative, but they are not actually wormers...I knwo this from not only extensive research and also from sad personal experience.
I too had never had to worm my free range flock, but I started losing birds and suddenly saw a load of expelled roundworms and wormed them fully...it was too late for a couple of my young rare breed hens who were too deconditioned already from the worms to survive the dieoff.
Everyone seemed fine, and all were laying. A few were thin, but you wouldnt know it unless you examined them closely. By the time the worms came out, it was too late for some of them.
I started with DE and cayenne etc...and then wazine, and then 10 days later ivomec, but I lost a few of my best who were overwhelmed and pooing out huge clumps of worms.
Now I worm my birds regularly. They free range and they eat earthworms etc...and thats enough reason right there!
I recently have had some problem with a neuro virus which according to the extension vets at UConn doesnt look at all like Mareks (whew! because thats easy to get from wild birds) and we are awaiting the lab results to make sure that its not one of the mycoplasmas or the like.
But the vet there saw alot of Ascarites, which are parasites ...and he suggested Ivomec...so, Ive got pour on Eprinex which Im assuming is the same. In any case, while I research that (because I have some injectable ivomec in the house) I wazined them 5 days ago and am giving them vitamins and probiotics to get them into shape....
Ive got 2 turkeys here, and the hen just started laying, and 2 runner ducks...and Im assuming that the treatment is the same. for all.
I just want to warn you all that you can not see anything and still have worms...by the time you see something, its often too late. Its not just a matter of expelling them...you have to really kill them off.
People I know tend to worm during the molt when no one is laying anyway.
I dont want to lose any more birds, and as much as this neuro thing could possibly be a vitamin deficiency, it also could be due to parasites taking the vital vitamins from the bird's gut.
Be careful about being too perfectly pure with your birds...you could lose them.
Also, Ive been using Vermex for a year and its also a preventative, not a wormer. You use it once a month just like all the other preventatives....there are no studies that show that even DE works internally as the anecdotal evidence says.
good luck all....if anyone has info on eprinex and if it is as good as ivermec Id love to know
I also looked on BYC for more information
Speckled Hen 9-8-2008 said
I have wormed my three year old flock twice. The first time was at almost two years old because I saw a worm in one of the roosters poops. I did it again several months later due to very wet weather and seeing them eat lots of worms from the ground. If you use Ivomec EPRINEX pour-on for cattle, you use a needleless syringe and squirt 1/2 cc behind the neck of the larger birds and 1/4 cc for bantams. Reapply in two weeks or so to get later-hatching worm eggs.
The rest of the time, I use natural wormers like buttermilk with chopped unsalted pumpkin seeds. It paralyzes the worms so they can be expelled in the poop. There is a follow-up with molasses in water to help the poop flow, so to speak and get those worms out. That's more of a preventative than a cure for a heavy load of worms, though. I dont plan to worm my birds unless I feel there is a specific reason. With Eprinex, there is no milk or meat withdrawal with cattle, so I continue eating eggs after using that. That would be up to you, though. Invermectin use would necessitate a withdrawal period, but it's only a guess for the actual time. I would do two weeks after the last meds are given, but that is really a guess.
SMFritch said
My vets both told me not to use Invermectin if you are going to eat the chicken or the egg because it can stay in their systems (and eggs) for months. We have used a compound called Wazine 17 and it seems to do the job. They recommend that you don't eat the chickens or the eggs for at least five days after treatment. It's also approved by the FDA and NADA for use on chickens, turkeys and swine. Just my two cents....Steven
Chickiebaby said
btw, pumpkin seeds work wonders in people to, for worms, for giardia, for all kinds of things
Speckled Hen said Wazine will only get roundworms. There are many others it wont even touch, like gapeworm, hookworms, capillary worms, tapeworms, etc
Keljonma said ,We have never wormed our flock and they are over 2 years old. We do however, feed the ground unsalted pumpkin seeds and buttermilk and garlic on a regular basis. As speckledhen said, this is preventative. So far, we have seen worms, but no live ones. We have some egg customers that have compromised immune systems, so we prefer not to use chemicals on our flock or give them drugs.
Speckled hen said The grocery store has bulk bins of seeds and dried fruits and that's where I get mine. Also, the health food store in town has organic ones, just a bit more expensive than Ingle's. I feed that to them once a week mostly, but sometime skip a week. Heck, buttermilk is very expensive these days, but no more so than chemicals and other less desirable stuff, right? In the winter, I use the buttermilk to cool down oatmeal a bit on a warm morning and add the seeds to that. They love it.
Ginasmarans said I usually buy pumkins after Thanksgiving,when the price gos way down. i just break them on the ground and let the hens have them at will. I have not mixed them with buttermilk. Do I need to? What does that do?
Speckled hen said Gina, I dont remember exactly what it does. Something about the acidity/pH in there that helps with the expelling process.
Gritar said Speckled, I'd like to try the pumpkin seed/buttermilk method if I can find unsalted pumpkin seeds in bulk in this podunk town. I wormed all my chicks with DE awhile back, while they were still on grower crumbles. It cleared up the few cases of runny poo I had for everybody but my one rooster. His poo is still kinda runny, so I was thinking of worming him again. I've never seen worms, just the runny poo.
About the molasses follow up, how much in a gallon of water, for how long?
Speckled hen said It's a pint to 5 gallons of water, according to my bookmarked webpage. Check this page out-it has other solutions you can make.
http://www.msstate.edu/dept/poultry/extsoln.htm
Keljonma said
Quote:
I saw on their website that VermX is now available in the US.
Yesterday I emailed the person listed as the US contact (Karen Jenne) and I just got an email from her with the price list and web brochure this evening.
http://www.vermx.com/International%20Distributors.htm
I just thought I would pass this on to anyone interested.
CDFarm said The Verm-x website in the USA is www.verm-xusa.com
Cocosandy said I know that this thread is a little old, but I wanted to make sure that you all know that all of the natural remedies that youre speaking of here from DE to buttermilk to pumpkin seeds are preventative and curative, but they are not actually wormers...I knwo this from not only extensive research and also from sad personal experience.
I too had never had to worm my free range flock, but I started losing birds and suddenly saw a load of expelled roundworms and wormed them fully...it was too late for a couple of my young rare breed hens who were too deconditioned already from the worms to survive the dieoff.
Everyone seemed fine, and all were laying. A few were thin, but you wouldnt know it unless you examined them closely. By the time the worms came out, it was too late for some of them.
I started with DE and cayenne etc...and then wazine, and then 10 days later ivomec, but I lost a few of my best who were overwhelmed and pooing out huge clumps of worms.
Now I worm my birds regularly. They free range and they eat earthworms etc...and thats enough reason right there!
I recently have had some problem with a neuro virus which according to the extension vets at UConn doesnt look at all like Mareks (whew! because thats easy to get from wild birds) and we are awaiting the lab results to make sure that its not one of the mycoplasmas or the like.
But the vet there saw alot of Ascarites, which are parasites ...and he suggested Ivomec...so, Ive got pour on Eprinex which Im assuming is the same. In any case, while I research that (because I have some injectable ivomec in the house) I wazined them 5 days ago and am giving them vitamins and probiotics to get them into shape....
Ive got 2 turkeys here, and the hen just started laying, and 2 runner ducks...and Im assuming that the treatment is the same. for all.
I just want to warn you all that you can not see anything and still have worms...by the time you see something, its often too late. Its not just a matter of expelling them...you have to really kill them off.
People I know tend to worm during the molt when no one is laying anyway.
I dont want to lose any more birds, and as much as this neuro thing could possibly be a vitamin deficiency, it also could be due to parasites taking the vital vitamins from the bird's gut.
Be careful about being too perfectly pure with your birds...you could lose them.
Also, Ive been using Vermex for a year and its also a preventative, not a wormer. You use it once a month just like all the other preventatives....there are no studies that show that even DE works internally as the anecdotal evidence says.
good luck all....if anyone has info on eprinex and if it is as good as ivermec Id love to know
