We are attempting incubating again

Angelak

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After 2 failed attempts at incubating,recieving alot of help,yesterday we decided to give it another try.so we put 3 goose eggs,4duck eggs n 15 chicken eggs into incubator.Our first attempt at candeling next week to see if we have fertile ones.
Really hoping we have sucess this attempt.....update next week.
 
Did you start them all on the same day? Chicken eggs take average 21 days to hatch, ducks 28-35 days (depending on species) and geese 29-31 days. Have you got a hatcher you can transfer the eggs to for lockdown?
 
Wow! More info we were not aware of...lol.what is a hatcher? We have incubator n a brooder.r u saying we wont be able to hatch everyone bc we put them all in same day?
 
A hatcher is basically a second incubator you transfer the eggs to for lockdown. It makes things easier when you have eggs due for lockdown and others that are not ready yet. When you lockdown (3 days before they are due to hatch) you need to stop turning the eggs and bump up the humidity to around 65% and once the chicks start hatching the humidity goes up even more, which can be harmful to the eggs that are not due to hatch anytime soon. What you can do however, is continue turning the duck and geese eggs and once the chicks are done hatching lower the humidity asap to around 35-40% until they are ready for lockdown themselves. Not ideal, but it can be done successfully.
 
Angelak. I would do ducks eggs separately no regular poultry (birds that are not water fowl ) because the incubation requirements are , different and they need alot more humidity.

Like everyone say Tempture and humidity are Very important. I just hatched some chick eggs in a Brinsea incubator and a lot of people say follow the incubators instructions Because they are all different.

I also went to Murray McMurruy web site and took notes from them they are also helpful if you need to email a question I asked them what they consider day one they emailed me back that would be the day you put them IN the incubator (you will have to look around for their input on their site) a good book to have on hand is Storey's Guide to Raising Chickens by Gail Damerow, it has a bit of everything in it (note it says guide). This is a nice site that gives you so much info. I personally only have 1 incubator because I only hatch 1 type and of bird at a time and as they hatch I let them dry off in it then put them in a brooding box. Have fun experimenting and finding your nitch
 
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So from the sounds if it,we wont have sucess with ducks n geese eggs....so does humidity go down as soon as chicks hatch n then put them in brooder n finish duck n geese eggs?does turning stop 3 days b4 chicks r due or 3 days b4 ducks....im soooo confused now.lol
 
My incubator has a fan in it so the temp was set at 99.6 for the chick eggs the humidity I kept between 45&50 % until 2 days before then I increased the water surface to make it 60to65%. I haven't done duck eggs yet but I remember clearly when I was a kid I was about 19 my mother had to take the eggs out and dip them quickly in warm water and put them back in the incubator of course along with turning them a few times a she had very good luck. Ducks are a lot of fun, messy but a lot of fun, my daughter was about 2 and we kept the brood box in the bath room and when she took a bath we let the ducklings play in the tub with her (no soap or bubbles). I just copied the following from Murry McMurray Egg Hatching Tips
Have your incubator ready and running at operating temerature.
Upon receving your eggs, let your eggs set at 50 to 60 degrees room temperature (do not refrigerate). Eggs should set for 6 to 12 hours prior to putting into your incubator.
Temperature should be set according to your incubators' manual. Temperatures in general are:
Chicken, Bobwhite Quail, Chukar Partridge, Pheasant, Guinea: 99 3/4
Peacock, Goose, Turkey 99 1/4
Ducks 99 1/2
Temperatures above are for forced air incubators. Still air incubators require a slightly higher temperature. Still incubators require 1 to 3 degrees higher operating temperature.
During incubation, the eggs should be turned 3 to 5 times per 24 hours if you do not have an automatic turner. (make sure your hands are clean when touching the eggs!) Stop turning the eggs 3 days prior to hatch or remove turner from incubator if using automatic turner. Eggs turned more frequently increases hatchability. Eggs turned odd number of times and on a regular schedule also increases hatchability. In still air models, when turning your eggs, move them to different locations each time to offset temperature variations which occurs in incubators with no fans.
Humidity: Again follow your incubators' manual. In general moisture levels should be: (for first 18 days)
50 to 55 percent relative humidity
83 to 87 % f on a wet bulb thermometer

Three days prior to hatch, humidity level should be
65 % f
89 - 90 % f wet bulb. Excessive drying because of low humidity will cause chick to stick to the shell and fail to survive. Also remeber too much humidity can cause hatching problems also.
For further information on incubation order Guide to Better Hatching": Catalog #77G
Back to Frequently Asked Questions.

You shouldn't have any problems if done sepertly it's just diffrent levels of temp and humidity. Some one on another board suggested going to a smoke shop/cigar shop and getting a hygromitor I did just that, nothing fancy I went with one that looks like a clocks face paid $13.00 for it much less pricey than digital worked fine too.
 
Here is some info about duck eggs I got online...Incubation Tips

If your incubator doesnt have a fan, measure the temperature half way up the side of the eggs but not touching them. Without a fan, the warm air rises and you will get a false reading if you place your thermometer on top of the eggs.

Humidity Readings

If your egg incubator is big enough there are some ways to measure humidity. One way to make your own wet bulb thermometer is to place the end of a short, hollow shoestring over the end of a thermometer. Place the other end in a container of water and put it all in the incubator. As the water evaporates from the cloth, the thermometer is cooled. If the air is very dry, much water evaporates from the cloth, cooling the thermometer. If the air is very humid, less evaporates which cools the thermometer less and a higher temperature is recorded. You can adjust the humidity by increasing the amount of water in the incubator or reducing ventilation.

Reading relative humidity is one of the more difficult things to do in a small incubator. Duck eggs require a little more humidity than chicken eggs do. Most small egg incubators (those that hold less than 40 eggs) have a well or two that holds water and generally dont have an easy way to measure humidity. Try to follow the instructions included with the incubator as close as possible. (the hydrometer gives a very good idea of humidity)

Turning Your Eggs

Turning your eggs is critical during the first week of incubation. Commercial egg incubators turn eggs every hour. If your incubator does not have an automatic egg turner, then a good tip is to turn your eggs an odd number of times each day. This is important so you dont leave the eggs laying on the same side each night which is the longest period of time they go each day without turning. Draw a small pencil line on one side of each egg. Then when you turn them, it will be easy to see that you switched them from one side to the other. In small incubators, most eggs are turned on their sides. Try to set the eggs so that the large end of the egg with the air sac is higher than the small end.

Misting Your Eggs

Some breeders suggest that you spray waterfowl eggs daily. This can be done with a small amount of slightly warmed water. You can then leave the incubator open for a minute or so afterwards. Sometimes this can be of benefit. If you do it, start at day 7 and do not spray after day 25. The actual consequences of spraying are interesting. It changes the membrane of the egg so a greater percentage of moisture is lost during incubation. Ideally, a duck egg looses about 13% of its weight between the time it is laid and day 25 of incubation. Loosing significantly more or less than this reduces hatchability.

Should You Help Your Hatchlings?

Many people want to help their ducklings hatch. It is best to allow them to do the hatching themselves. The only time you want to help them is when they make a hole and then cannot progress because they are stuck in that spot. If an actual hole is made, and you can see the duckling, but no progress is made for 12 hours, you can gingerly help the duckling. If blood appears where you break pieces off the shell, stop and wait several hours. If the duckling gets stuck after it has started to break a circle around the egg, it can usually be helped without a problem. But if they are progressing on their own, let them be.

Incubator Temperature and Variances

It is important that the incubator not get too warm or too cold, as it will affect the eggs. Several hours of too high temperature is more dangerous than several hours of too cool a temperature. If your electricity goes out or you must move your incubator, do not worry, but do watch that it does not become too cold. Find somewhere to get it turned back on again and monitor the temperature closely until you are sure you are back at a steady incubation temperature.

The length of incubation time varies. For Mallards, it is about 26.5 to 27 days. For Runners, it is about 28.5 days. All others are about 28 days. If your eggs are old or the incubator is cool, incubation can take longer. If it is too warm, incubation will be completed sooner. Muscovy eggs take around 35 days to incubate. They are sort of the odd lot of the duck family.

More On Candling

Eggs can be candled after about seven days of incubation. The advantage of candling is that you can remove infertile or rotten, infected eggs. Eggs are candled in a dark room by shining a flashlight or other bright light into the egg. You should look for veins going from the interior of the egg to the air sac. If you see no clear, distinct blood veins, the chances are that the embryo never developed or died early on. So that you can know what an infertile egg looks like when it is candled, also candle a regular infertile egg that has not been incubated at all. You can see the darker, orange shadow of the yolk. If you are not sure if the embryo is alive or not, return it to the incubator. The only eggs you do not want to return are the infected eggs. They are normally dark and blotchy inside and may also appear darker through the shell in normal lighting. If they are returned, the bacteria may continue to grow and you risk the possibility of them exploding in your incubator. You also risk infecting other eggs.

If the embryo dies within the first several days, often there is a ring or a streak of blood through the egg. Most embryo deaths occur the first or last several days of incubation. It is during these periods that the most critical development occurs.

Waterfowl eggs have a greater tendency to rot and cause problems for two reasons. The first is that ducks are not as clean in their nests and the eggs are often soiled. Waterfowl also take longer to develop, allowing another week for bacteria to grow.

All of our eggs are washed immediately after collection to reduce the bacterial load on the shell surface. We use a quaternary ammonia compound that has a residual bacteriastat. It is important to keep your incubator clean and wash it out after each group of egg hatches. You want each set of eggs to be in a clean, disinfected environment as the temperature and humidity in an incubator are ideal for the growth of bacteria.

Holding Eggs Before The Incubation Period

Eggs can be held for about a week before incubation without a problem. The ideal holding temperature is about 60 degrees. A refrigerator is too cold. Development of the embryo only begins when the egg is warmed to the correct temperature.

Caring for Your Ducklings After They Hatch

Keep them warm and to feed them as follows...

Small ducks need warmth (they can't supply it themselves). You need to buy or make a "brooder" for their warmth and protection.

To make one yourself, get a big box and hang a light bulb in there that is close enough to give off some heat but not so close that the little guy can get burnt. Don't let him touch it. The box should be big enough so that the little guy can move closer to the heat when he is warm and move away from the heat when he is too hot. He'll find his own comfort level. Always be careful about placing lights and electrical wires safe and secure to prevent fires.

The best "bedding" is an old bath towel. Don't use hay or straw. It just sticks to them and is harder to clean. Don't use newspaper either as they tend to be unable to get their footing and sometimes this causes "splayed legs" (Good footing when they are small helps their legs to develop more properly).

Since ducklings hatched in captivity are separated from their natural mom, they should not be placed in water for too long at all and especially without constant supervision. Instinctually they love playing in the water, but since their oil glands are not able to produce enough oil to keep them afloat they'll drown easily. In nature baby ducklings get their water resistant oils from their moms until they are five or six weeks old and their own oil glands begin to function. The bottom line is that baby ducks love to swim but without mom around are vulnerable to drowning and chills. They don't need to swim to survive at all.

At the same time, baby ducklings do need lots of water with their food as they must have water to swallow. Due to the issues in the previous paragraph, you must devise a way for them to drink lots of water without diving into their drinking water. They can drown in that too. The best method I've ever seen is to cut a small hole in the side of a plastic milk carton that is big enough for them to put their head into but make the hole too small for them to jump through it. Then fill it with water just up to that hole. You'll have to change the water often as they will dirty it up daily (with food). You may have to teach them how to find the water in the beginning by pushing their heads in their a few times but once they figure it out, they will go back and forth between their food and water constantly. Once they start eating it seems like they never stop.



Regarding feed... go to a local feed store and ask for "unmedicated chicken mash". Basically this is mashed up chicken feed. It is important to ask for "unmedicated" brands as ducklings eat a lot more than chicks and will poison themselves on the medicated brands. They don't need the medication like chicks do. They actually can be quite hardy once they begin growing up.

Lastly, remember that you are your duckling's protector. The most common cause of death in pet ducklings (and ducks for that matter) is an attack by a predator. Ducklings have no real defense mechanism and are vulnerable to pet dogs or cats or a stray neighborhood pet. You need to be conscious of any animals around their environment and keen to provide protection. It only takes a few seconds for a playful larger animal or predator to kill your ducklings.

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Please feel free to contact us if you have any more questions. (note this was from a web site that I just copied and pasted)
 
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Wow!Thank you sooo much for the great info.i will be picking up a 2nd incubator this week n will be moving duck or geese out into it.I am hoping this try n all the info.i have recieved we will have a sucess of atleast 1each....
 
My daughter ordered me 12 turkey eggs from M Mc for mothers day a new adventure for me,should be getting them end of May. I ordered the book Story's Raising Turkeys for added info, love turkeys my father inlaw had them for pets and being from the Plymouth area around Thanksgiving it adds a special feel to see them, Another chick just hatched today they were do Friday of 18 chick eggs I have 8 chicks, just for added info the eggs were collected over 3 days, I know some may not be fertile because I have 3 old girls that aren't laying eggs consistently and just doesn't want to be bothered my the rooster. I am going to give the unhatched eggs a couple more days just in case. The last 2 that hatched IF they were under a hen might have died because she might have gone with the majority that hatched and gotten off the nest, just a surmised guess. Angelak, You will have to let us know how it works out, and let us know how many new arrivals you get. It is exciting even when someone eles is doing hatching.
 
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